From sage-members-owner Fri Feb 2 13:42:48 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23342; Fri, 2 Feb 96 13:42:48 PST Received: from rigel.dartmouth.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23335; Fri, 2 Feb 96 13:42:46 PST Received: from rigel.dartmouth.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rigel.dartmouth.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA23435 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:41:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199602022141.QAA23435@rigel.dartmouth.edu> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: SAGE Jobs *Wanted* page Date: Fri, 02 Feb 1996 16:41:13 -0500 From: Pat Wilson Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk SAGE members: The SAGE Jobs Wanted web page is ready for listings. Send a URL pointing to your resume (formatted in whatever way you choose), an indication of what (SAGE) level sysadmin you are, and what area of the country/world you're looking for work in (if you care) to Pat Wilson (paw@usenix.org), and we'll make your availability known. Your entry will "live" for 6 months from date of entry, or until you send mail telling me that you no longer need the service. NOTE: This is currently a *public* service - anyone can view the pages (including your current boss and/or coworkers). Expect calls from job shops. Current SAGE members only, please! If you're a contractor, please use the "Services Provided by SAGE Members" listings instead. Pat Wilson paw@usenix.org || paw@dartmouth.edu From sage-members-owner Thu Feb 8 10:26:32 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA02984; Thu, 8 Feb 96 10:26:32 PST Received: from phibes.dartmouth.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA02973; Thu, 8 Feb 96 10:26:24 PST Received: from phibes.dartmouth.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phibes.dartmouth.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA14233 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 13:24:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199602081824.NAA14233@phibes.dartmouth.edu> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: "Communications Decency Act" signed into law Date: Thu, 08 Feb 1996 13:24:51 -0500 From: Pat Wilson Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk President Clinton has this afternoon signed into law the Telecommunications bill, which contains the "Communications Decency Act". The CDA would make illegal, under penalty of fines and jail time, the dissemination to minors (or in places where minors have access) of electronic material (e-mail, gifs, postings, etc) deemed "indecent". Not _only_ is this a blatant attack on the Constitutionally guaranteed right of Free Speech, but, as written, maintainers of sites that knowingly allow these materials to be present on their site are _also_ liable. Sysadmins who maintain web sites or anonymous ftp servers, especially at organizations which hold Free Speech in high regard, should be *very* concerned. Yes, the ACLU (and a host of others) will challenge this (and another add-on, which would prohibit free discussion of abortion on the net), but it's important that we _each_ take a stand. Check out the Electronic Frontier Foundation's Blue Ribbon Campaign at http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html If you're interested in supporting the "Thousand Points of Darkness" protest, that information is at http://www.vtw.org/speech/ *Please* at least take the time to investigate this issue. Thanks. Pat Wilson paw@dartmouth.edu From sage-members-owner Tue Feb 13 21:50:35 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23893; Tue, 13 Feb 96 21:50:35 PST Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23880; Tue, 13 Feb 96 21:50:29 PST Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP ($Revision: 1.36.108.11 $/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA072726925; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:48:45 -0800 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA088486925; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:48:45 -0800 From: Laura de Leon Message-Id: <199602140548.AA088486925@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Subject: BayLISA: Carl Rigney on the Radius Protocol To: baylisa@baylisa.org, rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.ORG Date: Tue, 13 Feb 96 21:48:45 PST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- February 15: Carl Rigney, Livingston Enterprises, IETF Radius Working Group Chair RADIUS (Remote Authentication Dial In User Service) is a protocol used by Network Access Servers (such as terminal servers or on-demand routers) to safely query a remote database server to authenticate a dial in user and receive authorization information describing what kind of service to provide for the user. RADIUS Accounting extends RADIUS to allow the Network Access Server to also send usage information to a remote server. The talk will describe what RADIUS is, how it works, what it can do, where to get it, and where it's going. There'll be a Question & Answer session afterwards. March 21: Dan Appelman, Lawyer speaking on the recent telecom legislation, and its impact on Systems Administrators. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-members-owner Fri Feb 16 08:18:30 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA26980; Fri, 16 Feb 96 08:18:30 PST Received: from gw2.att.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA26967; Fri, 16 Feb 96 08:18:26 PST Received: from big.info.att.com by ig2.att.att.com id AA23924; Fri, 16 Feb 96 11:17:55 EST Received: from peerless by big.info.att.com; id AA28081; Fri, 16 Feb 96 11:16:26 EST Posted-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:16:41 EST Received: from localhost by peerless (4.1/4.7) id AA10433; Fri, 16 Feb 96 11:16:42 EST Message-Id: <9602161616.AA10433@peerless> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: SAGE calendar X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 X-Uri: http://www.info.att.com/~tommy Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:16:41 EST From: Tom Reingold Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk I'm really enjoying the SAGE calendar I got for 1996. I think I'll keep it after the year for the "commandments" and cartoons. A couple of corrections. I wonder how the author got the dates for Chinese New Year and Ramadan so wrong. I'm pretty sure Chinese New Year begins on Feb 22, not Jan 7. And Ramadan is not Feb 3 to March 1. It started Jan 20 and ends tomorrow, Feb 17. Tom Reingold, Some Company, Crawford Hill Laboratory, Holmdel, NJ, USA tommy@big.att.com From sage-members-owner Thu Feb 22 07:00:03 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA01941; Thu, 22 Feb 96 07:00:03 PST Received: from sun1.wwb.noaa.gov by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA01926; Thu, 22 Feb 96 07:00:01 PST Received: Thu, 22 Feb 96 10:00:32 EST from sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov by sun1.wwb.noaa.gov (4.1/1.5) Received: by sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for @sun1.wwb.noaa.gov:sage-members@usenix.org id AA28286; Thu, 22 Feb 96 09:57:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Feb 96 09:57:51 -0500 From: eisen@sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov (Hal J Eisen) Message-Id: <9602221457.AA28286@sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov> To: tommy@big.att.com Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG In-Reply-To: <9602161616.AA10433@peerless> (message from Tom Reingold on Fri, 16 Feb 1996 11:16:41 EST) Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk >>>>> "tr" == Tom Reingold writes: tr> I'm really enjoying the SAGE calendar I got for 1996. I think I'll tr> keep it after the year for the "commandments" and cartoons. i was never sent a 1996 calendar. does anyone know who i should contact about getting one? i loved the 1995 one... hal -- Hal J Eisen (NWS/USSG) eisen@sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov http://www.access.digex.net/~eisen/ Finger me for my PGP Public Key "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" --Salvor Hardin bus error (passengers dumped) You can't grep dead trees! From sage-members-owner Thu Feb 22 08:38:59 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA03766; Thu, 22 Feb 96 08:38:59 PST Received: from fontina.cisco.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA03759; Thu, 22 Feb 96 08:38:58 PST Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fontina.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA00328; Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:37:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199602221637.IAA00328@fontina.cisco.com> To: eisen@sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov (Hal J Eisen) Cc: tommy@big.att.com, sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar In-Reply-To: Your message of Thu, 22 Feb 1996 09:57:51 -0500. <9602221457.AA28286@sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 1996 08:37:13 -0800 From: Bryan McDonald Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Send email to office@usenix.org. Bryan >>>>>> "tr" == Tom Reingold writes: > >tr> I'm really enjoying the SAGE calendar I got for 1996. I think I'll >tr> keep it after the year for the "commandments" and cartoons. > >i was never sent a 1996 calendar. does anyone know who i should >contact about getting one? i loved the 1995 one... > > hal > >-- >Hal J Eisen (NWS/USSG) eisen@sgi72.wwb.noaa.gov >http://www.access.digex.net/~eisen/ Finger me for my PGP Public Key >"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent" --Salvor Hardin >bus error (passengers dumped) You can't grep dead trees! > From sage-members-owner Sun Feb 25 14:43:49 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA02208; Sun, 25 Feb 96 14:43:49 PST Received: from labyrinth.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA02199; Sun, 25 Feb 96 14:43:41 PST Received: (from barb@localhost) by labyrinth.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id PAA19502; Sun, 25 Feb 1996 15:41:53 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199602252241.PAA19502@labyrinth.com> Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: "Barbara L. Dijker" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 15:41:51 -0700 To: Tom Reingold Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG, office@usenix.ORG References: <9602161616.AA10433@peerless> Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk > A couple of corrections. I wonder how the author got the dates for > Chinese New Year and Ramadan so wrong. I'm pretty sure Chinese New > Year begins on Feb 22, not Jan 7. And Ramadan is not Feb 3 to March > 1. It started Jan 20 and ends tomorrow, Feb 17. Actually, Chinese New Year was Feb 19th - according to my Chinese friends who celebrated it. ..Barb From sage-members-owner Mon Feb 26 16:03:35 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA06447; Mon, 26 Feb 96 16:03:35 PST Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA06435; Mon, 26 Feb 96 16:03:18 PST Date: Mon, 26 Feb 96 16:03:18 PST From: eileen (Eileen Curtis) Message-Id: <9602270003.AA06435@usenix.ORG> To: barb@labyrinth.com Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Cc: carolyn, sage-members@usenix.ORG, tommy@big.att.com Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, Thought I might add more info on this. Barb's right - Chinese New Year started Feb 19 this year. The dates change for each year because it is based on the Chinese Lunar calendar. Last year, for instance, it had a repeating month. This year, bec it is a leap year, dates will again change. As for the Ramadan, it actually started last Jan 21 and ended Feb 19. It is also based on the Islamic Lunar calendar. Eileen eileen@usenix.org Please refer to: ------------------------- From: "Barbara L. Dijker" Date: Sun, 25 Feb 96 15:41:51 -0700 To: Tom Reingold Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG, office@usenix.ORG > A couple of corrections. I wonder how the author got the dates for > Chinese New Year and Ramadan so wrong. I'm pretty sure Chinese New > Year begins on Feb 22, not Jan 7. And Ramadan is not Feb 3 to March > 1. It started Jan 20 and ends tomorrow, Feb 17. Actually, Chinese New Year was Feb 19th - according to my Chinese friends who celebrated it. ..Barb From sage-members-owner Wed Mar 6 11:02:50 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23705; Wed, 6 Mar 96 11:02:50 PST Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp12.netcom.com) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23698; Wed, 6 Mar 96 11:02:45 PST Received: from unisol.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id KAA08004; Wed, 6 Mar 1996 10:52:44 -0800 Received: by unisol.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27703; Wed, 6 Mar 96 10:39:29 PST Date: Wed, 6 Mar 96 10:39:29 PST From: haral@unisol.com (Haral Tsitsivas) Message-Id: <9603061839.AA27703@unisol.com> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: anyone heard of GAMES? Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Has anyone heard of GAMES (Global Alliance for Managing Enterprise Systems)? What are they and is anyone a member? Any other information? Thanks --Haral Tsitsivas, UniSolutions Associates (http://www.unisol.com/) Voice: (714) 488-3960, Fax: (714) 443-5354, E-mail: haral@unisol.com From sage-members-owner Thu Apr 11 19:16:57 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA24979; Thu, 11 Apr 96 19:16:57 PDT Received: from hplabs.hpl.hp.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA24938; Thu, 11 Apr 96 19:16:52 PDT Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplabs.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1SU) id AA048205299; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:15:00 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA296595309; Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:15:10 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) Message-Id: <9604111915.ZM29656@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1996 19:15:08 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: sage-members@usenix.ORG, rem-conf@es.net Subject: BayLISA:Dan Appelman on the Communications Decency Act (rescheduled from last month) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- April 18: Dan Appelman will speak on "Implications for Systems Administrators of the Communications Decency Act and Other Developments." Dan is an attorney who has been active in cyberspace legal issues. He is the attorney for UUNET, O'Reilly and USENIX/SAGE and he frequently publishes and speaks about developments in computer, telecommunications and online law. Dan's presentation will include an analysis of the CDA and concrete recommendations about how Systems Admistrators can do their job and avoid liability. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. --- End of forwarded mail from deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) From sage-members-owner Thu Apr 25 14:23:38 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA11701; Thu, 25 Apr 96 14:23:38 PDT Received: from alpha.isb.ca ([205.211.92.31]) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA11686; Thu, 25 Apr 96 14:23:28 PDT Received: from alpha.isb.ca (westr@alpha.isb.ca [205.211.92.31]) by alpha.isb.ca (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA21123 for ; Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:51:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 17:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross West To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar In-Reply-To: <9602270003.AA06435@usenix.ORG> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Eileen Curtis wrote: > > [Various details on chinese new years start dates, etc.] > I thought I might point out that (at least on my copy) of the Calendar, April seems to have 29 days. Must be the anti-leap year thing I forgot about. Who needs to worry about the Y2K (year 2000) problem, when we have the anti-leap year problem now! Hmm, 3 errors in 4 month now? Not bad. :-) But, if you consider the idea of having the week starting on Monday, instead of Sunday an error, then we are batting 1.000! On a side note to that issue: You wouldn't believe the number of forms I've filled out with the wrong date on them due to the Sunday/Monday thing. And now, May 1st is next Monday in my mind. :-) Oh well, see what happens when you don't beta test a product? :-) Ross. -- Ross West | Work : (416) 362-3747 Systems/Network Administrator | Fax : (416) 362-3727 Internet Service Bureau of Canada Inc. | Email: westr@isb.ca From sage-members-owner Thu Apr 25 23:55:35 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27603; Thu, 25 Apr 96 23:55:35 PDT Received: from carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27518; Thu, 25 Apr 96 23:54:39 PDT Received: from ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de (adler.ispa.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.80.1]) by carina.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA18433 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 08:52:26 +0200 Received: by ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de (4.1/SMI-4.1.21) id AA13476; Fri, 26 Apr 96 08:54:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 08:54:11 +0200 From: dsteiner@ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de (David Steiner) Message-Id: <9604260654.AA13476@ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ross West wrote: > I thought I might point out that (at least on my copy) of the Calendar, > April seems to have 29 days. Must be the anti-leap year thing I forgot [ snip ] > On a side note to that issue: You wouldn't believe the number of forms > I've filled out with the wrong date on them due to the Sunday/Monday thing. [ snip ] > Oh well, see what happens when you don't beta test a product? :-) Gee, Ross, I think they _did_ beta test it. Too bad you didn't know that you were one of the beta testers. ;-) My calendar has the correct number of days (at least for April; I will doing QA on mine between now and Dec :-). I will agree with you on the Sun/Mon thing. I hate calendars that start the week on Monday (even if it does make more sense in a work oriented society). Too many years of "normal" calendars burned into my habits... -David- David R. Steiner University of Vechta System Administrator _____ ___ ____ __ Remote Sensing/GIS // // // `` // | // === //='' //--| email: dsteiner@ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de _//_ __// _//_ _//_ _|_ fax:(+49)4441-15445 Vechta, Germany http://www.ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de/staff/david/ * All decisions are based on insufficient evidence. -Nickel Hunsenmeir * From sage-members-owner Fri Apr 26 06:45:25 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA08109; Fri, 26 Apr 96 06:45:25 PDT Received: from europe.std.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA08102; Fri, 26 Apr 96 06:45:23 PDT Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.7.5/BZS-8-1.0) id JAA12802; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA10556; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:40:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199604261340.AA10556@world.std.com> Subject: Re: SAGE calendar To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:40:54 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Ross West" at Apr 25, 96 05:51:12 pm From: "Adam S. Moskowitz" Reply-To: adamm@menlo.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk > On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Eileen Curtis wrote: > . . . The, Ross West wrote: > . . . I have not been at all impressed with the current SAGE calendar. I don't know who did the one before it and who did this one (well, I do know, but that's not germane here), but I'd like to see the previous "editor" brought back to do the 1997 calendar. AdamM From sage-members-owner Fri Apr 26 12:53:27 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA18864; Fri, 26 Apr 96 12:53:27 PDT Received: from alpha.isb.ca by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA18797; Fri, 26 Apr 96 12:53:20 PDT Received: from alpha.isb.ca (westr@alpha.isb.ca [205.211.92.31]) by alpha.isb.ca (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA25506 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:20:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ross West Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar In-Reply-To: <9604260654.AA13476@ispa.uni-osnabrueck.de> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, David Steiner wrote: > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ross West wrote: > > > I thought I might point out that (at least on my copy) of the Calendar, > > April seems to have 29 days. Must be the anti-leap year thing I forgot > [ snip ] > > Oh well, see what happens when you don't beta test a product? :-) > > Gee, Ross, I think they _did_ beta test it. Too bad you didn't know that > you were one of the beta testers. ;-) My calendar has the correct number > of days (at least for April; I will doing QA on mine between now and Dec :-). As I pull down the calendar from its nailed up position on the wall, I just noticed that it has a version number. v1.0 Although the stone blocks do read 4.4... A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, 1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal strikes again!) > I will agree with you on the Sun/Mon thing. I hate calendars that start > the week on Monday (even if it does make more sense in a work oriented > society). Too many years of "normal" calendars burned into my habits... I've now located a FarSide 366 page desk calendar that now hangs below the sage calendar with the current date displayed in big numbers. :-) Ross -- Ross West | Work : (416) 362-3747 Systems/Network Administrator | Fax : (416) 362-3727 Internet Service Bureau of Canada Inc. | Email: westr@isb.ca From sage-members-owner Fri Apr 26 13:19:47 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA19959; Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:19:47 PDT Received: from camel.swcp.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA19952; Fri, 26 Apr 96 13:19:44 PDT Received: (from pcaskey@localhost) by camel.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA09747; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:17:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:17:51 -0600 From: Paul Caskey Message-Id: <199604262017.OAA09747@camel.swcp.com> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG In-Reply-To: <199604261340.AA10556@world.std.com> (adamm@menlo.com) Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk > . . . Adam> I have not been at all impressed with the current SAGE calendar. I Adam> don't know who did the one before it and who did this one (well, I Adam> do know, but that's not germane here), but I'd like to see the Adam> previous "editor" brought back to do the 1997 calendar. I thought it was cute, at first, but I must admit I eventually threw it away. I guess I need a few straight lines in my life. :-) The paper quality could be improved, also. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Caskey mailto:pcaskey@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/pcaskey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sage-members-owner Fri Apr 26 14:25:27 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA21917; Fri, 26 Apr 96 14:25:27 PDT Received: from gateway.tcsi.com ([137.134.47.2]) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA21910; Fri, 26 Apr 96 14:25:25 PDT Received: from phact.tcs.com (phact.tcs.com [137.134.41.99]) by gateway.tcsi.com (8.7.4/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA19825; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:23:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from worf.tcs.com (worf.tcs.com [137.134.42.101]) by phact.tcs.com (8.7.4/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA15956; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:23:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Jerry Carlin Received: (jerry@localhost) by worf.tcs.com (8.6.11/8.6.10) id OAA04257; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:23:08 -0700 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 14:23:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199604262123.OAA04257@worf.tcs.com> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Cc: adamm@menlo.com Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk I agree. The current one did not get put up whereas the old one did. I'd also like to see many more dates filled in; even up to all 365 with something of some significance. -- Jerry M. Carlin (510) 649-3789 jerry@tcsi.com You look for battles in the wrong place. The true test of a warrior is not without - it is within. - Worf > From sage-members-owner@usenix.org Fri Apr 26 12:20:56 1996 > Subject: Re: SAGE calendar > To: sage-members@usenix.org > From: "Adam S. Moskowitz" > Reply-To: adamm@menlo.com > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 1996, Eileen Curtis wrote: > > . . . > > The, Ross West wrote: > > . . . > > I have not been at all impressed with the current SAGE calendar. I don't > know who did the one before it and who did this one (well, I do know, > but that's not germane here), but I'd like to see the previous "editor" > brought back to do the 1997 calendar. > > AdamM From sage-members-owner Fri Apr 26 15:07:39 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23127; Fri, 26 Apr 96 15:07:39 PDT Received: from spitz.cisco.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA22932; Fri, 26 Apr 96 15:07:16 PDT Received: from cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spitz.cisco.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA09352; Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:03:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199604262203.PAA09352@spitz.cisco.com> To: Ross West Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:20:55 EDT." Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:03:04 -0700 From: "Kenneth E. Paul" Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk ->On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, David Steiner wrote: -> -> A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, ->1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I ->missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal ->strikes again!) The question is not, "Who was Biff", but rather "Where is Biff's leg?" Regards, Kenny Paul From sage-members-owner Fri Apr 26 20:32:43 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA04399; Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:32:43 PDT Received: from flash.tibco.com (splash.tss.com) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA04392; Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:32:27 PDT Received: by flash.tibco.com (4.1/1.37) id AA27314; Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:30:05 PDT Received: from tssgate.tss.com(160.101.100.22) by flash.tibco.com via smap (V1.3) id sma027312; Fri Apr 26 20:29:51 1996 Received: from shockwave by tekbspa.tibco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13805; Fri, 26 Apr 96 20:29:51 PDT Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Lee To: Jerry Carlin Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG, adamm@menlo.com Subject: Re: SAGE calendar In-Reply-To: <199604262123.OAA04257@worf.tcs.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Ditto on all 365 having something... On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, Jerry Carlin wrote: > I agree. The current one did not get put up whereas the old one did. > > I'd also like to see many more dates filled in; even up to all 365 with > something of some significance. > -Steve Steve Lee (steve@tibco.com) Unix Sys Admin (415) 833-2673 WWW - http://www.tomato.com/~redbone/ From sage-members-owner Sat Apr 27 09:40:53 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA24472; Sat, 27 Apr 96 09:40:53 PDT Received: from bozo.llnl.gov by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA24465; Sat, 27 Apr 96 09:40:51 PDT Received: from bozo by bozo.llnl.gov via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id JAA01022; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:36:13 -0700 Message-Id: <31824CFD.41C6@llnl.gov> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 09:36:13 -0700 From: Fred W Allen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP12) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Ross West Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Ross West wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, David Steiner wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ross West wrote: > > > > > I thought I might point out that (at least on my copy) of the Calendar, > > > April seems to have 29 days. Must be the anti-leap year thing I forgot > > [ snip ] > > > Oh well, see what happens when you don't beta test a product? :-) > > > > Gee, Ross, I think they _did_ beta test it. Too bad you didn't know that > > you were one of the beta testers. ;-) My calendar has the correct number > > of days (at least for April; I will doing QA on mine between now and Dec :-). > > As I pull down the calendar from its nailed up position on the wall, I > just noticed that it has a version number. v1.0 Although the > stone blocks do read 4.4... > > A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, > 1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I > missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal > strikes again!) > > > I will agree with you on the Sun/Mon thing. I hate calendars that start > > the week on Monday (even if it does make more sense in a work oriented > > society). Too many years of "normal" calendars burned into my habits... > > I've now located a FarSide 366 page desk calendar that now hangs below > the sage calendar with the current date displayed in big numbers. :-) > > Ross > > -- > Ross West | Work : (416) 362-3747 > Systems/Network Administrator | Fax : (416) 362-3727 > Internet Service Bureau of Canada Inc. | Email: westr@isb.ca I herd that Biff was a dog.. A dog that barked when the mail was delivered to the appartment of the programmer who was writing the unix tool 'biff'. ...This programmer always knew when to mail arrived and named the tool for her dog. -- fred allen :-) :-) ;-) fred@fredallen.com http://www.aimnet.com/~deadhead deadhead@llnl.gov There are three types of people in the world. Those that are good at math and those that are not. From sage-members-owner Sat Apr 27 15:23:10 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA18244; Sat, 27 Apr 96 15:23:10 PDT Received: from bozo.llnl.gov by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA18237; Sat, 27 Apr 96 15:23:08 PDT Received: from bozo by bozo.llnl.gov via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id PAA01196; Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:18:33 -0700 Message-Id: <31829D39.41C6@llnl.gov> Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 15:18:33 -0700 From: Fred W Allen X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP12) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: bark bark References: <9604272213.AA7748@Lotus-Notes-Gateway> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk > > Ross West wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, David Steiner wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ross West wrote: > > > > > > > I thought I might point out that (at least on my copy) of the Calendar, > > > > April seems to have 29 days. Must be the anti-leap year thing I forgot > > > [ snip ] > > > > Oh well, see what happens when you don't beta test a product? :-) > > > > > > Gee, Ross, I think they _did_ beta test it. Too bad you didn't know that > > > you were one of the beta testers. ;-) My calendar has the correct number > > > of days (at least for April; I will doing QA on mine between now and Dec > :-). > > > > As I pull down the calendar from its nailed up position on the wall, I > > just noticed that it has a version number. v1.0 Although the > > stone blocks do read 4.4... > > > > A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, > > 1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I > > missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal > > strikes again!) > > > > > I will agree with you on the Sun/Mon thing. I hate calendars that start > > > the week on Monday (even if it does make more sense in a work oriented > > > society). Too many years of "normal" calendars burned into my habits... > > > > I've now located a FarSide 366 page desk calendar that now hangs below > > the sage calendar with the current date displayed in big numbers. :-) > > > > Ross > > > > -- > > Ross West | Work : (416) 362-3747 > > Systems/Network Administrator | Fax : (416) 362-3727 > > Internet Service Bureau of Canada Inc. | Email: westr@isb.ca > I herd that Biff was a dog.. A dog that barked when the mail was delivered to the appartment of the programmer who was writing the unix tool 'biff'. ...This programmer always knew when to mail arrived and named the tool for her dog. -- fred allen :-) :-) ;-) fred@fredallen.com http://www.aimnet.com/~deadhead deadhead@llnl.gov There are three types of people in the world. Those that are good at math and those that are not. From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 01:06:12 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA03253; Mon, 29 Apr 96 01:06:12 PDT Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA03246; Mon, 29 Apr 96 01:05:59 PDT Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id BAA22643; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 01:04:01 -0700 Received: from eurohub.neu.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) id BAA26677; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 01:03:54 -0700 Received: from pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com by eurohub.neu.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) id KAA12151; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:03:51 +0200 Received: from localhost by pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id KAA08563; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:03:31 +0200 Message-Id: <199604290803.KAA08563@pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com> To: Steve Lee Cc: Jerry Carlin , sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 26 Apr 1996 20:29:48 PDT." Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 10:03:30 +0200 From: zwicky Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk While this year's calendar certainly suffers from accuracy problems ("Honey Danber UUCUP"?!?), putting something on every day is a different question. We'd be thrilled to have something on every day, but we need information. Send us those dates! The number of events we could find that were (even remotely) system administration relevant and that we could actually pin to specific dates was fairly limited. (Admittedly, the collection we came up with is also the result of an unscientific survey consisting of me wandering around asking the first 30 or so people I ran into at LISA what events they could think of that ought to be on the calendar. We then removed those we couldn't tie to actual dates, and added those that appealed to the artist or the office staff. That was for the 95 calendar, but I believe 96 is using the same collection.) Elizabeth Zwicky zwicky@neu.sgi.com From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 06:11:03 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA10819; Mon, 29 Apr 96 06:11:03 PDT Received: from research.att.com (ns.research.att.com) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA10812; Mon, 29 Apr 96 06:10:57 PDT Received: from research.att.com by ns; Mon Apr 29 09:08:20 EDT 1996 From: "Pat Parseghian" Message-Id: <9604290908.ZM4354@research.att.com> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:08:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Setting the record straight about the 1995 calendar: I conceived of issuing a SAGE calendar for 1995, modeled after the ever- popular mt.Xinu calendars of the past. At the time, I was serving a two-year term on the SAGE's board. The 1995 calendar was a collaborative effort. I came up with the theme and provided the Mayan quotes; I met with the artist in early August, 1994 and we tossed around ideas. To come up with dates for the calendar, beyond those that I knew, I polled (among others) Steve Bellovin, Peter Honeyman, Peter Langston, Brian Redman, Dennis Ritchie, Hal Stern, Armando Stettner, Ken Thompson, and Tom Truscott. (Most of these people were involved with UNIX from its earliest days, and/or made early notable contributions.) In addition to my efforts, the artist (Ellen Klages), the USENIX staff and interested SAGE members collected dates and other material from other sources. Several people had the opportunity to comment on drafts of the 1995 calendar, and a few changes were made over time. My notes from the time indicate that in addition to Elizabeth Zwicky's contributions, we relied on Evi Nemeth, Rob Kolstad and Peter Salus for input. We thought about including the full list of dates from the second edition of the sysadmin book by Nemeth et al., but decided that most were not sysadmin- specific (though interesting in their own right). For readability, we tried to choose only one event to list for a given day, and not to try to fill in every day. The calendar was pretty much done by October 21, when I gave it a careful proofreading (which caught several minor errors); I'm sure there were other proofreaders as well. The calendar went to the printer in early November, and was mailed to all SAGE members before the end of 1994. Thus was established a (long, I hope) tradition of the annual SAGE calendar. I'm sure it's not too early to start planning the 1997 SAGE calendar; if you have ideas or would like to be involved, I'm sure the SAGE Board would be happy to hear from you. Pat Parseghian From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 08:28:51 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA13676; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:28:51 PDT Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA13669; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:28:49 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA23023; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:26:55 -0700 Message-Id: <3184DF75.2781@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:25:41 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: zwicky Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar References: <199604290803.KAA08563@pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Greetings, zwicky wrote: > While this year's calendar certainly suffers from accuracy problems > ("Honey Danber UUCUP"?!?), putting something on every day is a Well, since everyone else is complaining, ya no kidding... ;^) > different question. We'd be thrilled to have something on every day, > but we need information. Send us those dates! The number of events we There use to be a huge repository of 'Today in History' in the FIDO Net BBS systems. It was somewhere around San Fran. I recall having collected and merged a number of the data base files for one of my systems. (Arg dig, dig, dig... I never throw anything data related away...yep there's that old tape...spin baby spin...) Ya I still have the old data files. The program was ment to run on an Amiga, but there was some version for DOS. Although the program is unusable the data files are text based with an encoding scheme. Do we really need SA stuff? What about general neato trivia? I could write the code to read this stuff easy enough. I could even begin collecting an SA based file... Something to login into everyday... In fact I kinda miss my daily history trivia dose. > could find that were (even remotely) system administration relevant > and that we could actually pin to specific dates was fairly limited. > (Admittedly, the collection we came up with is also the result of an > unscientific survey consisting of me wandering around asking the first > 30 or so people I ran into at LISA what events they could think of Oooooo more scientific than most of us have time for!! > that ought to be on the calendar. We then removed those we couldn't > tie to actual dates, and added those that appealed to the artist or > the office staff. That was for the 95 calendar, but I believe 96 is > using the same collection.) Well watcha think?? Comments welcome, in fact if some of you out there have more of these old data files (if you have them you know who you are) please send me copies... :-) Cheers, Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 08:46:20 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA14533; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:46:20 PDT Received: from flash.tibco.com (splash.tss.com) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA14517; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:45:42 PDT Received: by flash.tibco.com (4.1/1.37) id AA15289; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:32:49 PDT Received: from tssgate.tss.com(160.101.100.22) by flash.tibco.com via smap (V1.3) id sma015284; Mon Apr 29 08:32:39 1996 Received: from shockwave.100net by tekbspa.tibco.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20438; Mon, 29 Apr 96 08:32:38 PDT Received: by shockwave.100net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA02868; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:32:37 -0700 From: "Steve Lee (Redbone)" Message-Id: <9604290832.ZM2866@shockwave> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 08:32:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: zwicky "Re: SAGE calendar" (Apr 29, 10:03) References: <199604290803.KAA08563@pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: zwicky , Steve Lee Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Cc: Jerry Carlin , sage-members@usenix.ORG Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk On Apr 29, 10:03, zwicky wrote: > Subject: Re: SAGE calendar **> **> While this year's calendar certainly suffers from accuracy problems **> ("Honey Danber UUCUP"?!?), putting something on every day is a **> different question. We'd be thrilled to have something on every day, **> but we need information. Send us those dates! The number of events we **> could find that were (even remotely) system administration relevant **> and that we could actually pin to specific dates was fairly limited. **> (Admittedly, the collection we came up with is also the result of an **> unscientific survey consisting of me wandering around asking the first **> 30 or so people I ran into at LISA what events they could think of **> that ought to be on the calendar. We then removed those we couldn't **> tie to actual dates, and added those that appealed to the artist or **> the office staff. That was for the 95 calendar, but I believe 96 is **> using the same collection.) **> **> Elizabeth Zwicky **> zwicky@neu.sgi.com **> >-- End of excerpt from zwicky Maybe we (sage-members) could all watch reruns of Cheers and jot down every useless piece of information Cliff Clavin blurts out and use that as calendar material......It can't be any worse than finding out April only has 29 days and the 12th of April is Green Card Lottery Spamming Day! ;-/ -- -Steve Steve Lee (steve@tibco.com) Unix Sys Admin (415) 833-2673 WWW - http://www.tomato.com/~redbone/ Slang is language that takes off its coat, spits on its hands, and goes to work. From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 11:47:28 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA21058; Mon, 29 Apr 96 11:47:28 PDT Received: from topaz.cary.mci.net by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA21044; Mon, 29 Apr 96 11:47:17 PDT Received: from LOCALHOST by topaz.cary.mci.net (8.6.12/kaw-mci.net/feb95) id OAA19855; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:44:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199604291844.OAA19855@topaz.cary.mci.net> To: Fred W Allen Cc: Ross West , sage-members@usenix.ORG From: "Brett D. Watson" Reply-To: bwatson@mci.net Subject: Re: SAGE calendar Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:44:09 -0400 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk actually, to be specific, john foderero was a grad student at berkeley in the summer of 1980. he was working on a mail notification program. at the same time, heidi stettner worked on campus and used to bring her dog to class and work with her. the dog was popular on campus and well known to students. john simply named his program after the dog, biff. heidi, john and bill joy supposedly spent time trying to come up with an explanation of 'biff'. they decided on 'be notified if mail arrives'. heidi says the rumor that biff barked at the mail man is a 'scurrilous canard'. (i remembered reading this in salus' "a quarter century of unix", and paraphrased) -brett > From: Fred W Allen > Subject: Re: SAGE calendar > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP12) > Mime-Version: 1.0 > References: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org > Precedence: bulk > > Ross West wrote: > > > > On Fri, 26 Apr 1996, David Steiner wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 25 Apr 1996, Ross West wrote: > > > > > > > I thought I might point out that (at least on my copy) of the Calendar, > > > > April seems to have 29 days. Must be the anti-leap year thing I forgot > > > [ snip ] > > > > Oh well, see what happens when you don't beta test a product? :-) > > > > > > Gee, Ross, I think they _did_ beta test it. Too bad you didn't know that > > > you were one of the beta testers. ;-) My calendar has the correct number > > > of days (at least for April; I will doing QA on mine between now and Dec :- > ). > > > > As I pull down the calendar from its nailed up position on the wall, I > > just noticed that it has a version number. v1.0 Although the > > stone blocks do read 4.4... > > > > A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, > > 1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I > > missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal > > strikes again!) > > > > > I will agree with you on the Sun/Mon thing. I hate calendars that start > > > the week on Monday (even if it does make more sense in a work oriented > > > society). Too many years of "normal" calendars burned into my habits... > > > > I've now located a FarSide 366 page desk calendar that now hangs below > > the sage calendar with the current date displayed in big numbers. :-) > > > > Ross > > > > -- > > Ross West | Work : (416) 362-3747 > > Systems/Network Administrator | Fax : (416) 362-3727 > > Internet Service Bureau of Canada Inc. | Email: westr@isb.ca > > I herd that Biff was a dog.. > A dog that barked when the mail was delivered to the appartment > of the programmer who was writing the unix tool 'biff'. > ...This programmer always knew when to mail arrived and > named the tool for her dog. > > > > -- > fred allen :-) :-) ;-) fred@fredallen.com > http://www.aimnet.com/~deadhead deadhead@llnl.gov > There are three types of people in the world. > Those that are good at math and those that are not. From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 12:49:01 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA22963; Mon, 29 Apr 96 12:49:01 PDT Received: from luminary.sanjose.compass-da.com ([162.17.1.44]) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA22926; Mon, 29 Apr 96 12:48:58 PDT Received: from orac.sanjose.compass-da.com (orac [162.17.1.57]) by luminary.sanjose.compass-da.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id MAA03653; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paulo@localhost) by orac.sanjose.compass-da.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA28184; Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:45:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 12:45:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Orr Message-Id: <199604291945.MAA28184@orac.sanjose.compass-da.com> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG, pep@research.att.com Subject: Re: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Calendar? What calendar? There's a calendar? Paul Orr COMPASS Design Automation From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 13:07:29 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23644; Mon, 29 Apr 96 13:07:29 PDT Received: from mailhost2.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23637; Mon, 29 Apr 96 13:07:28 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost2.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA29801; Mon, 29 Apr 96 13:05:25 -0700 Message-Id: <318520BC.59E2@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:04:12 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Parseghian Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 References: <9604290908.ZM4354@research.att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Greetings, Pat Parseghian wrote: > Setting the record straight about the 1995 calendar: Feeling a bit picked on? Hmmm... ;^) > I conceived of issuing a SAGE calendar for 1995, modeled after the ever- > popular mt.Xinu calendars of the past. An idea for which I must say I am grateful, I really do enjoy it! I want to see it continue as well! > The 1995 calendar was a collaborative effort. > ...[SNIP]... Suffice it to say lots happend and on any volunteer type effort some mistakes are bound to slip in unnoticed. > Thus was established a (long, I hope) tradition of the annual SAGE calendar. > I'm sure it's not too early to start planning the 1997 SAGE calendar; if > you have ideas or would like to be involved, I'm sure the SAGE Board would > be happy to hear from you. I have already mentioned the data I have. I am also willing to perform some additional services if I am able. Perhaps we can begin collecting the feedbacks from the last few calanders and put it to a minor vote for the next years additions features? Cheers, Leeland (note I am volunteering...both against all those little inner voices chanting in my head "Boom chackalaka, Boom...." and my better judgement) -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Mon Apr 29 13:18:23 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23875; Mon, 29 Apr 96 13:18:23 PDT Received: from buzz.pixar.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23868; Mon, 29 Apr 96 13:18:21 PDT Received: by buzz.pixar.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0uDzN4-000BmKC; Mon, 29 Apr 96 13:16 PDT From: "James Williams" Message-Id: <9604291316.ZM25683@buzz> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 13:16:34 -0700 In-Reply-To: Ross West "Re: SAGE calendar" (Apr 26, 4:20pm) References: Organization: Pixar Reply-To: williams@pixar.com X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail) To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk On Apr 26, 4:20pm, Ross West wrote: > A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, > 1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I > missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal > strikes again!) I ran into Heidi, Biff's owner, in the lunchroom and mentioned this discussion to her. She says that Biff's birthday was actually celebrated on May 1st, but that wasn't really his birthday. They didn't know his real birthday. Biff, sadly, is no longer with us. To correct an earlier posting, Heidi didn't write the biff program, but it was named after her dog. As for the calendar, I wouldn't mind having some non-sys admin items included, as long as they were of general interest to a techie crowd. Birthdays of famous film stars would be a counter example. Cheers, Jim From sage-members-owner Tue Apr 30 13:59:45 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA06200; Tue, 30 Apr 96 13:59:45 PDT Received: from litle.net ([205.139.20.20]) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA06147; Tue, 30 Apr 96 13:59:35 PDT Received: from test3.litle.net ([205.139.22.191]) by litle.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19512; Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:54:37 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960430205609.0067d548@wizard.litle.net> X-Sender: b_cote@wizard.litle.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:56:09 -0400 To: sage-members@usenix.ORG From: "Bryan R. Cote" Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk This has to be the most activity I've seen from this list in years! Calendar comment : I think someone should set up an Internet factoid server ( although someone probably already has..) I'd love to see 'factoid' in /etc/services on the next Solaris release 8-) == Bryan At 01:16 PM 4/29/96 -0700, you wrote: >On Apr 26, 4:20pm, Ross West wrote: >> A quick scan on the next month reveals that "Biff" was born on May 2nd, >> 1978. Any idea as to who Biff is? (Who will be 18 then) Or am I >> missing something again? (It's a plot I tell you! The Usenet Cabal >> strikes again!) > >I ran into Heidi, Biff's owner, in the lunchroom and mentioned this discussion >to her. She says that Biff's birthday was actually celebrated on May 1st, but >that wasn't really his birthday. They didn't know his real birthday. Biff, >sadly, is no longer with us. To correct an earlier posting, Heidi didn't write >the biff program, but it was named after her dog. > >As for the calendar, I wouldn't mind having some non-sys admin items included, >as long as they were of general interest to a techie crowd. Birthdays of >famous film stars would be a counter example. > >Cheers, >Jim > > ________________________________________________________________________ Bryan R. Cote The Only Direct Commerce(sm) Network. LitleNet, LLC. (508)937-1245x2020 b_cote@litle.net ________________________________________________________________________ From sage-members-owner Tue Apr 30 22:14:02 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA21169; Tue, 30 Apr 96 22:14:02 PDT Received: from lokkur.dexter.mi.us by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA21162; Tue, 30 Apr 96 22:13:59 PDT Received: (from scs@localhost) by lokkur.dexter.mi.us (8.7.5/8.7.5/lokkur-1.1-scs) id BAA07348; Wed, 1 May 1996 01:10:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Simmons Message-Id: <199605010510.BAA07348@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) To: williams@pixar.com Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG In-Reply-To: <9604291316.ZM25683@buzz> from "James Williams" at Apr 29, 1996 01:16:34 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0a9] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Am I the only person spreading the rumor that BIFF stands for `Bark If ``From'' Found'? From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 02:52:15 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27900; Wed, 1 May 96 02:52:15 PDT Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27893; Wed, 1 May 96 02:52:12 PDT Received: from sgihub.corp.sgi.com by sgi.sgi.com via ESMTP (950405.SGI.8.6.12/910110.SGI) id CAA20847; Wed, 1 May 1996 02:50:19 -0700 Received: from eurohub.neu.sgi.com by sgihub.corp.sgi.com via ESMTP (951211.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH1042/911001.SGI) id CAA21845; Wed, 1 May 1996 02:50:14 -0700 Received: from pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com by eurohub.neu.sgi.com via ESMTP (950413.SGI.8.6.12/940406.SGI) id LAA05569; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:50:10 +0200 Received: from localhost by pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id LAA15999; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:50:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199605010950.LAA15999@pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com> To: "Pat Parseghian" Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 29 Apr 1996 09:08:09 EDT." <9604290908.ZM4354@research.att.com> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 11:50:04 +0200 From: zwicky Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Indeed, I didn't mean to claim any credit for the 1995 calendar itself; that was Pat's inspiration (and perspiration) and a marvelously demented artist. The point I was ineptly trying to convey was that the sparseness of dates is not because nobody wanted to fill in blocks, and not because nobody tried -- in fact, not only did the original calendar team try, so did all the vaguely relevant people, including the USENIX office staff, the SAGE board, and random passers-by who didn't flee fast enough. (There was even a request put out to the mailing list, as I remember.) In general, other people's collections of 14 million random dates have a compilation copyright and they get annoyed if you use them entire. This makes it legally tricky to pull in collections of unknown or unclear origin (you don't know if whoever originally input them got them from somewhere copyright). Elizabeth zwicky@neu.sgi.com From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 07:47:56 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05074; Wed, 1 May 96 07:47:56 PDT Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05067; Wed, 1 May 96 07:47:52 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11166; Wed, 1 May 96 07:45:49 -0700 Message-Id: <318778D3.41C6@u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 07:44:35 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Bryan R. Cote" Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) References: <2.2.32.19960430205609.0067d548@wizard.litle.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Bryan R. Cote wrote: > This has to be the most activity I've seen from this list in years! Kinda fun, yes? > Calendar comment : > I think someone should set up an Internet factoid server ( although someone > probably already has..) I'd love to see 'factoid' in /etc/services on the > next Solaris release 8-) OK define the operation. What do you want? Open a port and get a dump of daily trivia? Or do a query for specific date? Or do a grep search for specific events? All, none? C'ya Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 07:53:39 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05250; Wed, 1 May 96 07:53:39 PDT Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05243; Wed, 1 May 96 07:53:33 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11277; Wed, 1 May 96 07:51:08 -0700 Message-Id: <31877A12.167E@u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 07:49:54 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Simmons Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) References: <199605010510.BAA07348@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Steve Simmons wrote: > Am I the only person spreading the rumor that BIFF stands for `Bark > If ``From'' Found'? Yes... ;^) Actually it was in Trent & Evi's first SA book (along with the dog story). But, I don't recall seeing it in the second (red) one. But, I might have glossed over it. Then again all the books might be gelling in my head to seem one big mass and I could be WAY OFF... Cheers, Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 07:58:41 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05273; Wed, 1 May 96 07:58:41 PDT Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05266; Wed, 1 May 96 07:58:39 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11365; Wed, 1 May 96 07:56:45 -0700 Message-Id: <31877B63.2781@u.washington.edu> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 07:55:31 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: zwicky Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 References: <199605010950.LAA15999@pterodactyl.neu.sgi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk zwicky wrote: > In general, other people's collections of 14 million random dates have > a compilation copyright and they get annoyed if you use them > entire. This makes it legally tricky to pull in collections of unknown > or unclear origin (you don't know if whoever originally input them got > them from somewhere copyright). Can you copyright history!? What a neat trick... I think I'll claim the entire Celtic period. Perhaps a little of the Viking conquests too. And while I'm at it I have compiled a rather lengthy list of the old Norse sagas. They are therefore my property too. Every one else had better remove there copies NOW. Or my lawyers..... Sounds silly huh? Welcome to the 21st Century... When do we get to fix everything really? C'ya Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 08:24:52 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05562; Wed, 1 May 96 08:24:52 PDT Received: from tera.bctel.net by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA05555; Wed, 1 May 96 08:24:51 PDT Received: (from nobody@localhost) by tera.bctel.net (8.7.4/8.7.1) id IAA12812 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 08:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 08:25:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605011525.IAA12812@tera.bctel.net> Received: from unknown(192.197.176.135) by tera via smap (V1.3) id sma012810; Wed May 1 08:25:17 1996 X-Sender: ac22545@pop.bctel.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sage-members@usenix.ORG From: Michael Chiu Subject: Re: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Hello, How can I get myslef removed from this list? Mike ________________________________________________________________________________ | Michael Chiu | Customer Services Engineer | BCTel Advanced Communications | Tel: 604 454 5265 | Fax: 604 454 5199 | ________________________________________|_______________________________________ From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 10:40:42 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA10267; Wed, 1 May 96 10:40:42 PDT Received: from knecht.Oxford.Reference.COM by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA10260; Wed, 1 May 96 10:40:29 PDT Received: from knecht.Oxford.Reference.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by knecht.Oxford.Reference.COM (8.8.Alpha.0/8.8.Alpha.0) with ESMTP id KAA11503; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605011737.KAA11503@knecht.Oxford.Reference.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Steve Simmons From: Eric Allman X-Url: http://WWW.Reference.COM/~eric Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) In-Reply-To: Mail from Steve Simmons dated Wed, 01 May 1996 01:10:44 EDT <199605010510.BAA07348@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 10:37:53 -0700 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk No, I don't think you are the only one. The command, of course, was named after Heidi's dog -- that's been well established -- but my recollection is that the wags in the hallways decided it stood for "bark if from found", so named after Biff's prediliction for barking when the mail was delivered. I checked with Kirk McKusick, and this matches his memory as well. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to dig up any physical evidence for this; apparently the grims got to it early. Unfortunately, the SCCS audit trail on the man page only goes to 4.1 BSD, and I haven't been able to find a printed copy of the 4.0 manuals (I know I have them around here somewhere...). So, I guess it would be fair to say that biff both does and does not stand for "bark if from found". eric ============= In Reply To: =========================================== : From: Steve Simmons : Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) : Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 01:10:44 -0400 (EDT) : Am I the only person spreading the rumor that BIFF stands for `Bark : If ``From'' Found'? From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 11:21:47 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA11817; Wed, 1 May 96 11:21:47 PDT Received: from xor.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA11780; Wed, 1 May 96 11:18:45 PDT Received: from localhost.xor.com (trent@localhost.xor.com [127.0.0.1]) by xor.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA07026; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:16:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199605011816.MAA07026@xor.com> From: "Trent R. Hein" To: Rob Kolstad , sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: SAGE calendar (biff, actually) In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 01 May 1996 10:58:29 MDT Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 12:16:47 -0600 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW Steve Simmons wrote: > Am I the only person spreading the rumor that BIFF stands for `Bark > If ``From'' Found'? Yes... ;^) Actually it was in Trent & Evi's first SA book (along with the dog stor y). But, I don't recall seeing it in the second (red) one. But, I might have glossed over it. Then again all the books might be gelling in my head to seem one big ma ss and I could be WAY OFF... ---- I think you are correct that the text about Biff, the dog and the command, doesn't appear in the 2nd edition of USAH. However, you might note that on the cover cartoon (RED book) there is a tombstone with the name "Biff" on it... Biff, the dog, passed away between the publication of the 1st and 2nd edition. RIP, Biff. -TR From sage-members-owner Wed May 1 12:40:02 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA14402; Wed, 1 May 96 12:40:02 PDT Received: from nothing.ucsd.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA14376; Wed, 1 May 96 12:39:59 PDT Received: by nothing.ucsd.edu (8.6.12/UCSDGENERIC.5) id MAA27573 to ; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:37:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:37:03 -0700 From: brian@nothing.ucsd.edu (Brian Kantor) Message-Id: <199605011937.MAA27573@nothing.ucsd.edu> To: michael_chiu@bctel.net, sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: The Making of a Calendar, 1995 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk >How can I get myslef removed from this list? Forwarded-by: guy@netapp.com (Guy Harris) Forwarded-By: bbrelin@netcom.com (Braun Brelin) Forwarded-by: "Steven Johnson (BUS)" On Fri, 12 Apr 1996, Myers, Bill wrote: > How do you get off this list? I have tried the majordomo and I still > get mail even though it says I'm not on the list. This is what you need to do. Please read these instructions carefully before beginning. tools needed: one Hammer, one scredriver, one pair of pliers, one heavy-duty pair of wire cutters, one bucket of saline water, a box of sani-wipes. Step #1: Stop payment on any checks that you may have sent to your Internet Service Provider (GOD). Step #2: If GOD is unresponsive and you are still receiving mail from this list, you will need to find the "mailhost". This is a machine usually located in a locked office. Every day around noon, the mailman will deliver a box of diskettes with that day's mail messages, including yours from this list, to this machine. Typically, only a handful of people have keys to the "mailhost". The reason why this machine is locked up is because this is typically the best, fastest, most powerful computer at your facility and the people with keys don't want to share it. If you must, break or pry the door down with one (1) hammer (you did get all the tools needed?). Step #3: Find the ON/OFF switch for this machine. Using the pliers, set the switch to the OFF position by tugging downwards until the disposable plastic switch breaks away from the computer casing. Discard the disposable plastic switch in an environmental-friendly manner. This will alert the mailman to not deliver the diskettes with the messages to the "mailhost" not unlike the little red flag found on mailboxes. This should resolve your mail problem immediately. Step #4: You may experience a recurrence of mail within 72 hours. If this should happen, you will need to disable the "mailhost" once again with more forceful measures. Repeat Step #2. Don't be suprised if there is a sturdier door in place than the one you destroyed previously. This is due to the fact that the "Have Key" clique found out that someone has seen their private stash of computer equipment. Step #5: After you have once again regained entry into the "mailhost" room, open up the back of the "mailhost". There may be a large tv-like device on top of the "mailhost" You will need to remove this first. Take your wire cutters, and cut any cables binding the tv-like device to the "mailhost". Set the tv-like device to the side. With your screwdriver, remove each and every screw that you can find on the "mailhost". Once this is done, the "mailhost" should break away into two or more pieces. Step #5: Find a large box with a fan attached to it. It will be clearly marked with the following labels: "Danger" "High Voltage" "Do not open - no user-servicable parts". Don't worry, these labels are merely in place to satisfy OSHA requirements and you are not in any danger at all. Take the bucket of saline water and pour it into any vents or ports that the large box may have. Any extra water should be poured directly into the computer chassis, be sure to properly soak each and every component. Step #6: In the event of fire (OSHA has been known to be right on occassion), douse any flames with the sani-wipes. This solution is provided without warranty. It is not bio-degradable or fat-free. In the event of sudden death, contact a physician immediately. _________________________________________________________________________ | Reengineering Half-A-Glass Steven Johnson | | An optimist is someone who says a glass johnson@stpt.usf.edu | is half full. A pessimist says it's http://www.stpt.usf.edu/~johnson | half empty. A reengineering consultant | says, "Looks like you've got twice as (813) 893-9551 | much glass as you need." ---------------------------------+--------------------------------------- --- end forwarded text From sage-members-owner Thu May 2 07:22:13 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA15696; Thu, 2 May 96 07:22:13 PDT Received: from pcp.ca (trojan.pcp.ca) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA15682; Thu, 2 May 96 07:22:09 PDT Received: by pcp.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1pcp-fw) id AA21075; Thu, 2 May 96 08:14:14 MDT Message-Id: <9605021414.AA21075@pcp.ca> Received: from mailhost by trojan via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma021072; Thu May 2 08:13:48 1996 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Scott Truswell Date: Thu, 2 May 96 08:17:35 -0600 To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Wondering about books Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk I hope it isn't a serious crime to change the subject from SAGE calendars (:-> I am new to the SA field, and wondering if anyone can recommend some good books, fiction or non. > I notice references to the 'red' book, and 'Trent & Evi's first SA book' what are these? > I really enjoyed the Cuckoos Egg, has anyone read similar books ? --- Thank You. >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> > Scott Truswell - UNIX Analyst > Aurean Systems > scott@aurean.ca, bus2903108 >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> From sage-members-owner Sun May 5 09:11:22 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA04994; Sun, 5 May 96 09:11:22 PDT Received: from reactor.site.gmu.edu ([129.174.40.83]) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA04986; Sun, 5 May 96 09:10:12 PDT Received: from magnesium.site.gmu.edu (magnesium.site.gmu.edu [129.174.85.12]) by reactor.site.gmu.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA12270; Sun, 5 May 1996 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mmeins@localhost) by magnesium.site.gmu.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA04677; Sun, 5 May 1996 12:07:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: magnesium.site.gmu.edu: mmeins owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Marianne M Meins (CS)" X-Sender: mmeins@magnesium To: Scott Truswell Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: Wondering about books In-Reply-To: <9605021414.AA21075@pcp.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi Scott, Believe me, your message was a refreshing change. :) I've been an SA for a few years now and would definitely recommend almost every one of the O'Reilly books. My favorites are: Unix Power Tools Essential System Administration All of the X-Windows resources well actually, I'm going to stop here, because I'm starting to list them all - it's hard to narrow down - they are all excellent! A great web page to visit for O'Reilly books is: http://www.ora.com The red book that you referred to is fabulous. The title is, Unix System Administration Handbook, Second Edition, written by Evi Nemeth, Garth Snyder, Scott Seebass, and Trent Hein. Evi's web site is: http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~evi/Home.html where she has a link to the book. Don't choose the link to the actual book title, (it doesn't work), but rather the Bug Fixes link. Good luck and enjoy. Marianne Meins mmeins@site.gmu.edu http://www.site.gmu.edu/~mmeins On Thu, 2 May 1996, Scott Truswell wrote: > I hope it isn't a serious crime to change the subject from SAGE > calendars (:-> > > I am new to the SA field, and wondering if anyone can recommend > some good books, fiction or non. > > > I notice references to the 'red' book, and 'Trent & Evi's first > SA book' what are these? > > I really enjoyed the Cuckoos Egg, has anyone read similar books ? > > > --- > Thank You. > > >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> > > Scott Truswell - UNIX Analyst > > Aurean Systems > > scott@aurean.ca, bus2903108 > >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> > From sage-members-owner Mon May 6 06:51:29 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA06260; Mon, 6 May 96 06:51:29 PDT Received: from phibes.dartmouth.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA06253; Mon, 6 May 96 06:51:25 PDT Received: from phibes.dartmouth.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phibes.dartmouth.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10632 for ; Mon, 6 May 1996 09:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199605061349.JAA10632@phibes.dartmouth.edu> To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: Wondering about books In-Reply-To: (Your message of Sun, 05 May 1996 12:07:40 EDT.) Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 09:49:30 -0500 From: Pat Wilson Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Let me just put in a plug for the SAGE Sysadmin's Bookshelf (), which has links to pages for many of the most well-used sysadmin books. Coming soon (when I can figure out the best way to do it - advice welcome): reviews and comments. Pat Wilson paw@dartmouth.edu From sage-members-owner Mon May 6 08:06:49 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA07727; Mon, 6 May 96 08:06:49 PDT Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA07717; Mon, 6 May 96 08:06:42 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA09992; Mon, 6 May 96 08:03:59 -0700 Message-Id: <318E1490.41C6@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 08:02:40 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Truswell Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: Wondering about books References: <9605021414.AA21075@pcp.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Scott Truswell wrote: > I hope it isn't a serious crime to change the subject from SAGE > calendars (:-> Gosh no. In fact this is a good time to get on about something else. > I am new to the SA field, and wondering if anyone can recommend > some good books, fiction or non. Welcome to one of the most 'misunderstood by upper management' positions around today. There are lots and lots of books to read. But, the question should have included the areas of interest you must address first. I highly agree with the O'Reilly recommendation. But, there are also a lot of other good references to areas like TCP/IP, networking, security, system controling, performance tuning, etc. Which area would you like to hit first? BTW the Unix System Administration Handbook, Second Edition is one of the best jump off points out there! and it is the 'red' book to which some of use (like me) have been refering too. Additionally don't be afraid to ask for help in these lists. We are all glad to have the right answer for somebody from time to time... ;^) Cheers, Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Mon May 6 08:21:52 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA07930; Mon, 6 May 96 08:21:52 PDT Received: from pcp.ca (trojan.pcp.ca) by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA07923; Mon, 6 May 96 08:21:32 PDT Received: by pcp.ca (4.1/SMI-4.1pcp-fw) id AA22732; Mon, 6 May 96 09:13:22 MDT Message-Id: <9605061513.AA22732@pcp.ca> Received: from mailhost by trojan via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma022721; Mon May 6 09:13:00 1996 Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <318E1490.41C6@u.washington.edu> X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mail 3.3 (Enhance 1.0) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Scott Truswell Date: Mon, 6 May 96 09:16:42 -0600 To: Leeland Artra Subject: Re: Wondering about books Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG References: <9605021414.AA21075@pcp.ca> <318E1490.41C6@u.washington.edu> Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk You wrote: >=20 > Which area would you like to hit first? Actually I need to be somewhat of a generalist, so the 'red' book = sounds like a good start. BUT: I am quite interested in networking, TCP/IP books, do you = recommend that TCP/IP illustrated that is referred to on the sage = bookshelf - it looks quite good ? =20 =20 > BTW the Unix System Administration Handbook, Second Edition is = one > of the best jump off points out there! and it is the 'red' book = to > which some of use (like me) have been refering too. Thanks to you and everyone who has answered my question about = books, now I just need time to read! =20 --- >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> > Scott Truswell - UNIX Analyst =20 > Aurean Systems =20 > scott@aurean.ca, bus2903108 =20 >->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->-> From sage-members-owner Mon May 6 08:50:51 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA08463; Mon, 6 May 96 08:50:51 PDT Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA08456; Mon, 6 May 96 08:50:49 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA11168; Mon, 6 May 96 08:48:52 -0700 Message-Id: <318E1F16.446B@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 08:47:34 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Truswell Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: Wondering about books References: <9605021414.AA21075@pcp.ca> <318E1490.41C6@u.washington.edu> <9605061513.AA22732@pcp.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Greetings, Scott Truswell wrote: > Actually I need to be somewhat of a generalist, so the 'red' book sounds > like a good start. BUT: I am quite interested in networking, TCP/IP books, > do you recommend that TCP/IP illustrated that is referred to on the sage > bookshelf - it looks quite go I'm not at home right now. (I have amassed a small library of such things over the last XX years.) I know I have read that one, my first thought is yes, it is a good reference. I'll check when I get home to make sure and let you know some of the other titles I have for TCP/IP that I have found to have helped. > Thanks to you and everyone who has answered my question about books, > now I just need time to read! Sorry you joined the wrong club if you wanted reading time... ;^) Cheers, Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Mon May 6 12:09:52 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA14925; Mon, 6 May 96 12:09:52 PDT Received: from mailhost1.cac.washington.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA14916; Mon, 6 May 96 12:09:37 PDT Received: from alfheim.mbt.washington.edu by mailhost1.cac.washington.edu (5.65+UW96.04/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA16246; Mon, 6 May 96 12:07:02 -0700 Message-Id: <318E4D88.794B@u.washington.edu> Date: Mon, 06 May 1996 12:05:44 -0700 From: Leeland Artra Organization: Dept Molecular Biotechnology UW X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; IRIX 5.3 IP22) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Pat Wilson Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: Re: Wondering about books References: <199605061349.JAA10632@phibes.dartmouth.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk Greetings, Pat Wilson wrote: > Let me just put in a plug for the SAGE Sysadmin's Bookshelf > (), which has > links to pages for many of the most well-used sysadmin books. Bravo!! I had forgotten that this was available. Cheers, Leeland -- // Leeland Artra University of Washington // Senior Systems Administrator Box 357730 Rm K331A // Dept of Molecular Biotechnology Seattle, Washington 98195-7730 // mailto:leeland@u.washington.edu phone:206.616.7233 fax:206.685.7301 From sage-members-owner Mon May 6 16:48:50 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23642; Mon, 6 May 96 16:48:50 PDT Received: from piper.cs.colorado.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA23620; Mon, 6 May 96 16:48:28 PDT Received: (from evi@localhost) by piper.cs.colorado.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA09537; Mon, 6 May 1996 17:46:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 6 May 1996 17:46:10 -0600 (MDT) From: Evi Nemeth Message-Id: <199605062346.RAA09537@piper.cs.colorado.edu> To: mmeins@site.gmu.edu, Truswell_Scott@pcp.ca Subject: Re: Wondering about books Cc: sage-members@usenix.ORG Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk fixed that link on my home page -- thanks for mentioning it. -evi From sage-members-owner Wed May 8 14:54:20 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA01905; Wed, 8 May 96 14:54:20 PDT Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA01892; Wed, 8 May 96 14:54:16 PDT Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA107902331; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:52:11 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA296482336; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:52:16 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) Message-Id: <9605081452.ZM29646@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:52:16 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org Subject: BayLISA: So you want to be a consultant Cc: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com, sage-members@usenix.ORG, rem-conf@es.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- May 16 "So, you want to be a consultant?" We've put together a panel of several people who have successfully headed out on their own. They'll give a brief description of what they each think you should know before making the transition, and then we'll open up for questions, which hopefully will make up the bulk of the meeting. We currently have confirmed: Tina Darmohray, IWI Dave Clark, MindSource Software, Inc Brent Chapman, Great Circle Associates Mark Mellis, Mellis and Associates and possibly others, To Be Announced. ALSO: Get your BayLISA t-shirt! They're new, They're eye-catching, They're available S to XXXL, The price is $15. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-members-owner Thu May 9 09:34:10 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA26673; Thu, 9 May 96 09:34:10 PDT Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA26666; Thu, 9 May 96 09:34:04 PDT Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Thu, 9 May 96 11:31:50 -0500 Message-Id: <00131921df5021783@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 9 May 96 11:31:50 -0500 From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu To: sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: TCSA meeting May 16 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in Conference Room #1 on the Parking Level (basement). Next Meeting: May 16, 1996: Elements of Perimeter Security David Zuhn - Generalist, Secure Computing Dave will give a talk on security that will involve firewalls, I&A systems, and some discussion of intrawalling. For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ Directions to Park Place West: Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Conference Room #1 is on the Parking Level (in the basement). For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Chris Halverson (612) 633-7909 Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-members-owner Mon May 20 04:57:34 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA26392; Mon, 20 May 96 04:57:34 PDT Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA26385; Mon, 20 May 96 04:57:31 PDT Received: from widor.cs.unc.edu by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id HAA27015; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:46:06 -0400 Received: by widor.cs.unc.edu (8.6.9/UNC_06_21_94) id HAA05199; Mon, 20 May 1996 07:46:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 07:46:04 -0400 From: "Amy K. Kreiling" Message-Id: <199605201146.HAA05199@widor.cs.unc.edu> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: NC*SA meeting TONIGHT -- 6pm, Dreyfus Auditorium, RTP Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk **NOTE: This meeting is TONIGHT! My apologies for not getting this out sooner. Illnesses and technical difficulties were rampant last week. I hope you'll still be able to attend -- it will be a great program! The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, May 20, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group Sun Microsystems New Product Review Monday, May 20, 1996 Dreyfus Auditorium Research Triangle Institute Research Triangle Park, NC 5 PM - Steering Committee 6 PM - General Session On April 16th, Sun Microsystems introduced server products based on many new design innovations and technologies. As a major participant in the world-wide UNIX community, Sun servers and workstations are installed in many of our companies and institutions. With this in mind, the NCSA Users Group has asked one of our local Sun Microsystems sales representatives and active NCSA participants, Eric Melvin, to give a technically-oriented presentation on the new innovations incorporated into the new Enterprise server and Ultra 2 workstation products. Discussed will be system design innovations such as: - The new Gigaplane(TM) system bus with its wide bus, high frequency, and efficient design. - A balanced I/O architecture. - Hot-swap system components that enable greater system up-time by allowing on-line maintenance, requiring fewer system boots, and simplifying service. - Solstice(TM) SyMON(TM) monitoring tool, which improves system up-time by monitoring system status and notifying system administrators and service providers of system problems. SyMON also performs problem diagnosis and predicts failures of key components. Also discussed will be how these system design innovations are incorporated into the entry-level departmental system Enterprise 3000, the departmental server Enterprise 4000, and the rack mount data center server Enterprise 5000 and Enterprise 6000. Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions, please contact: Amy K. Kreiling Dept. of Comp. Science UNC - Chapel Hill 135 Sitterson Hall Chapel Hill, NC 27599 (919) 962-1843 kreiling@cs.unc.edu ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NCSA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== Directions to Research Triangle Institute From I-40 west of RTP (e.g. Chapel Hill): Get onto I-40 heading east. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Stay in right lane. Shift right as soon as possible after merging with traffic coming off I-40 westbound. Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From I-40 east of RTP (e.g. Raleigh): Get onto I-40 heading west. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Shift to rightmost lane as soon as possible Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From north of RTP (e.g. Durham): Get onto NC-147 - Durham Freeway - south. Exit at the Cornwallis Road exit. At the top of the exit, turn left to cross over the bridge. After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From sage-members-owner Mon May 20 06:22:28 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27908; Mon, 20 May 96 06:22:28 PDT Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27901; Mon, 20 May 96 06:22:26 PDT Received: from widor.cs.unc.edu by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id JAA00367; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:10:01 -0400 Received: by widor.cs.unc.edu (8.6.9/UNC_06_21_94) id JAA05504; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:09:57 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:09:57 -0400 From: "Amy K. Kreiling" Message-Id: <199605201309.JAA05504@widor.cs.unc.edu> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: NC Systems Administrators FRIDAY lecture series -- May 24, 3:30pm Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk North Carolina System Administrators Friday Afternoon Lecture Series Lecture: Strategic Technology Planning for Higher Education Institutions Speaker: Dr. Jim Ptaszynski, Strategic Manager for the Higher Education Group at Microsoft Corporation Date: Friday, May 24, 1996 Time: 3:30PM Location: Live at UNC-CH, 08 Peabody Hall Available over NC-REN at most sites. Contact the site nearest you (full list with phone numbers appears in the text of this message.) Available over the Internet MBone. An announcement of the lecture will appear on the MBone session directory about a week prior to the actual lecture. The Department of Computer Science and the Office for Information Technology (OIT) at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill are pleased to announce the next presentation in its North Carolina System Administrators Lecture Series. This presentation, entitled "Strategic Technology Planning for Higher Education Institutions" will be given by Dr. Jim Ptaszynski, Strategic Manager for the Higher Education Group at Microsoft Corporation. The lecture will be held at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, on Friday, May 24, 1996 from 3:30-4:30 p.m. The System Administrators Lecture series originates from room 08 of Peabody Hall at UNC-CH and is broadcast over the NC-REN video network to most sites. Please check with your site coordinator for information on receiving this program at your location. The System Administrator Lecture series is also broadcast on the Internet Multicast Backbone (MBone). Sessions will be announced about a week prior to the actual lecture using the MBone session directory tool. To view the MBone broadcast, you will need a multicast network feed, operating system support for IP multicast and Mbone desktop software (sdr, vat, vic and wb), available by ftp for most Unix platforms. Some MBone software is available for PC and Mac platforms. More information about the MBone can be found at the following locations: http://www.best.com/~prince/techinfo/mbone.html http://www.research.att.com/mbone-faq.html ftp://isi.edu/mbone/faq.txt. ABOUT THE PROGRAM... Abstract of the session: This program will focus on strategic technology planning for higher education institutions. Key managerial and tactical issues critical for institutional success will be discussed. Illustrations of leading-edge educational applications of technology, as well as examples of how Microsoft uses technology to run its own business will be presented. Speaker's biography: James Garner Ptaszynski, Ph.D. Jim Ptaszynski is the Strategic Relations Manager for the Higher Education Group at Microsoft Corporation. In this position he focuses on helping to fulfill the promise of technology in higher education. Jim designs, and implements, special programs which assist institutions in improving their capabilities and utilization of technology. Jim joined Microsoft in October, having spent the past 16 years in higher education. For the six years prior to Microsoft, Jim was the Associate Dean at the Graduate School of Management at Wake Forest University. His new position allows him to combine three of his professional passions: technology, strategic planning and higher education. Jim believes that there exists a great opportunity to significantly advance the use of technology in higher education. He is passionate that, in order for America to remain competitive in an increasingly information-based economy, higher education must adopt, and better integrate, information technologies. While such a scenario obviously is in Microsoft's best interests, he believes that, as good corporate citizens, we must invest in helping higher education achieve these goals. Jim received his BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, his Master of Science from Shippensburg University and his Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He is on the editorial board of "On the Horizon" a higher education environmental scanning newsletter published by Jossey-Bass. Also on the www at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/horizon NC-REN SITES BGSM MRI Building 919-748-4260 Duke 130 A North Building 919-660-6585 ECU Brody Building 919-551-2979 NC A&T 206 McNair Building 919-334-7867 NCSU 107H Park Shops 919-515-2601 NCSU-W Withers Building 919-515-2858 RTI Herbert Building 919-541-6920 UNC-A 129 Robinson Hall 704-251-6333 UNC-CH 08 Peabody Hall 919-966-5078 UNC-CH/Med 304 Berryhill Hall 919-966-1134 UNC-C Atkins Building 704-547-2435 WSSU G-22 Anderson Center 919-750-2680 MCNC 3021 Cornwallis Road 919-248-1400 NCSC 3021 Cornwallis Road 919-248-1100 WILM (call for locations) From sage-members-owner Mon May 20 06:14:35 1996 Received: by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27715; Mon, 20 May 96 06:14:35 PDT Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu by usenix.ORG (4.1/1.29-emg890317) id AA27708; Mon, 20 May 96 06:14:33 PDT Received: from widor.cs.unc.edu by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id JAA00520; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:12:35 -0400 Received: by widor.cs.unc.edu (8.6.9/UNC_06_21_94) id JAA05513; Mon, 20 May 1996 09:12:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 20 May 1996 09:12:31 -0400 From: "Amy K. Kreiling" Message-Id: <199605201312.JAA05513@widor.cs.unc.edu> To: rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.ORG Subject: NC Systems Administrators FRIDAY lecture series -- May 24, 3:3pm EDT Cc: jan_tax@unc.edu, ncsa-lectures@cs.unc.edu Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.ORG Precedence: bulk North Carolina System Administrators Friday Afternoon Lecture Series Lecture: Strategic Technology Planning for Higher Education Institutions Speaker: Dr. Jim Ptaszynski, Strategic Manager for the Higher Education Group at Microsoft Corporation Date: Friday, May 24, 1996 Time: 3:30PM Location: Live at UNC-CH, 08 Peabody Hall Available over NC-REN at most sites. Contact the site nearest you (full list with phone numbers appears in the text of this message.) Available over the Internet MBone. An announcement of the lecture will appear on the MBone session directory about a week prior to the actual lecture. The Department of Computer Science and the Office for Information Technology (OIT) at The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill are pleased to announce the next presentation in its North Carolina System Administrators Lecture Series. This presentation, entitled "Strategic Technology Planning for Higher Education Institutions" will be given by Dr. Jim Ptaszynski, Strategic Manager for the Higher Education Group at Microsoft Corporation. The lecture will be held at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, on Friday, May 24, 1996 from 3:30-4:30 p.m. The System Administrators Lecture series originates from room 08 of Peabody Hall at UNC-CH and is broadcast over the NC-REN video network to most sites. Please check with your site coordinator for information on receiving this program at your location. The System Administrator Lecture series is also broadcast on the Internet Multicast Backbone (MBone). Sessions will be announced about a week prior to the actual lecture using the MBone session directory tool. To view the MBone broadcast, you will need a multicast network feed, operating system support for IP multicast and Mbone desktop software (sdr, vat, vic and wb), available by ftp for most Unix platforms. Some MBone software is available for PC and Mac platforms. More information about the MBone can be found at the following locations: http://www.best.com/~prince/techinfo/mbone.html http://www.research.att.com/mbone-faq.html ftp://isi.edu/mbone/faq.txt. ABOUT THE PROGRAM... Abstract of the session: This program will focus on strategic technology planning for higher education institutions. Key managerial and tactical issues critical for institutional success will be discussed. Illustrations of leading-edge educational applications of technology, as well as examples of how Microsoft uses technology to run its own business will be presented. Speaker's biography: James Garner Ptaszynski, Ph.D. Jim Ptaszynski is the Strategic Relations Manager for the Higher Education Group at Microsoft Corporation. In this position he focuses on helping to fulfill the promise of technology in higher education. Jim designs, and implements, special programs which assist institutions in improving their capabilities and utilization of technology. Jim joined Microsoft in October, having spent the past 16 years in higher education. For the six years prior to Microsoft, Jim was the Associate Dean at the Graduate School of Management at Wake Forest University. His new position allows him to combine three of his professional passions: technology, strategic planning and higher education. Jim believes that there exists a great opportunity to significantly advance the use of technology in higher education. He is passionate that, in order for America to remain competitive in an increasingly information-based economy, higher education must adopt, and better integrate, information technologies. While such a scenario obviously is in Microsoft's best interests, he believes that, as good corporate citizens, we must invest in helping higher education achieve these goals. Jim received his BA from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, his Master of Science from Shippensburg University and his Ph.D. from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. He is on the editorial board of "On the Horizon" a higher education environmental scanning newsletter published by Jossey-Bass. Also on the www at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/horizon NC-REN SITES BGSM MRI Building 919-748-4260 Duke 130 A North Building 919-660-6585 ECU Brody Building 919-551-2979 NC A&T 206 McNair Building 919-334-7867 NCSU 107H Park Shops 919-515-2601 NCSU-W Withers Building 919-515-2858 RTI Herbert Building 919-541-6920 UNC-A 129 Robinson Hall 704-251-6333 UNC-CH 08 Peabody Hall 919-966-5078 UNC-CH/Med 304 Berryhill Hall 919-966-1134 UNC-C Atkins Building 704-547-2435 WSSU G-22 Anderson Center 919-750-2680 MCNC 3021 Cornwallis Road 919-248-1400 NCSC 3021 Cornwallis Road 919-248-1100 WILM (call for locations) From sage-postmaster Wed May 29 11:21:44 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA12635 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 11:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA12629 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 11:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ipxpress.aws.waii.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: ipxpress.aws.waii.com [192.203.69.2]) id QQarvd27968; Wed, 29 May 1996 14:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omnibus (omnibus.aws.waii.com) by ipxpress.aws.waii.com with SMTP id AA00313 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4); Wed, 29 May 1996 13:16:37 -0500 Received: from sun62.aws.waii.com by omnibus (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18117; Wed, 29 May 96 12:22:42 CDT Received: by sun62.aws.waii.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20698; Wed, 29 May 96 12:23:00 CDT Date: Wed, 29 May 96 12:23:00 CDT From: jannis@sun62.aws.waii.com (Jim) Message-Id: <9605291723.AA20698@sun62.aws.waii.com> To: steve.schumacher@sun62.aws.waii.com, mdoshi@guanine.BCHS.UH.EDU Subject: Fun Cc: stephen.sepulveda@sun62.aws.waii.com, sage-members@usenix.org Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk I noticed how much people depend on their systems administrators, and so it inspired the following: The Lord is my SysAdmin by Jim Annis (With apologies to Psalms 23) The Lord is my SysAdmin, I shall lack no good system resource. He makes me use secure passwords, He leads me to my name server, He restores my data. He guides me in the 'man' pages of righteousness for His name's sake. Even though I witness the router failures and disk crashes of death, I will fear no core dumps, for you are with me; Your root login and Sniffer comfort me. You prepare dial-in connections for me when I'm far away from the main net. You provide 7x24 support; My productivity overflows. Surely long uptimes and high bandwidth will follow me all the days of my life, and I will keep my login account forever. From sage-postmaster Wed May 29 16:20:30 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA23019 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from office.demon.net (office.demon.net [193.195.224.1]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA23011 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 16:20:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gt.demon.co.uk by office.demon.net id aa00180; 30 May 96 0:12 +0100 Received: by gt.demon.co.uk (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03727; Thu, 30 May 96 00:12:45 BST To: Jim Cc: steve.schumacher@sun62.aws.waii.com, mdoshi@guanine.bchs.uh.edu, stephen.sepulveda@sun62.aws.waii.com, sage-members@usenix.org Subject: Re: Fun In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 29 May 1996 12:23:00 CDT." <9605291723.AA20698@sun62.aws.waii.com> From: gt@bofh.org Reply-To: gt@bofh.org Date: Thu, 30 May 1996 00:12:40 +0100 Message-Id: <3716.833411560@gt.demon.co.uk> Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk In message <9605291723.AA20698@sun62.aws.waii.com>, Jim writes: > and I will keep my login account forever. Giles. -- Continuum plenum est. Vade. From sage-postmaster Wed May 29 19:04:55 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA27484 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 29 May 1996 19:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camel.swcp.com (camel.swcp.com [198.59.115.3]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA27477 for ; Wed, 29 May 1996 19:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from pcaskey@localhost) by camel.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA28829; Wed, 29 May 1996 20:02:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 29 May 1996 20:02:41 -0600 From: Paul Caskey Message-Id: <199605300202.UAA28829@camel.swcp.com> To: jannis@sun62.aws.waii.com CC: steve.schumacher@sun62.aws.waii.com, mdoshi@guanine.BCHS.UH.EDU, stephen.sepulveda@sun62.aws.waii.com, sage-members@usenix.org In-reply-to: <9605291723.AA20698@sun62.aws.waii.com> (jannis@sun62.aws.waii.com) Subject: Re: Fun Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 29 May 96 12:23:00 CDT, jannis@sun62.aws.waii.com (Jim) said: Jim> Precedence: bulk Jim> I noticed how much people depend on their systems administrators, Jim> and so it inspired the following: Jim> The Lord is my SysAdmin Jim> by Jim Annis Jim> (With apologies to Psalms 23) ... and no sooner do you write this, but some bozo HTML-izes it and puts it on his web page: http://www.swcp.com/pcaskey/lord-sysadmin.html Just yell if you object to this public display of your work or the way I formatted it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Caskey mailto:pcaskey@swcp.com http://www.swcp.com/pcaskey ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half the time." --E. B. White From sage-postmaster Tue Jun 4 07:42:59 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA09609 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (mcenroe.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.184]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA09603 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from widor.cs.unc.edu by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id KAA22645; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:28:44 -0400 Received: by widor.cs.unc.edu (8.6.9/UNC_06_21_94) id KAA29070; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:28:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:28:43 -0400 From: "Amy K. Kreiling" Message-Id: <199606041428.KAA29070@widor.cs.unc.edu> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: North Carolina Systems Administrators (NC*SA) meeting - June 10 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, June 10, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group Integrating NT into a UNIX Environment Monday, June 10, 1996 Dreyfus Auditorium Research Triangle Institute Research Triangle Park, NC 6 PM - General Session TOPIC: Integrating NT into a UNIX Environment Speaker: Steve Duplessie Chief Executive Officer Invincible Technologies Corp. In this discussion, Mr. Duplessie will address the changes facing the computer industry with the growing popularity of Windows NT. As environments and technologies change, the basic need to store, access, and manage information remains the same. This presentation will touch upon existing environments, integrating change, and the evolution of information management. Brief overview of discussion: - Information as the core of any environment - Managing information - UNIX presence in todays marketplace - Introduction to NT and its promise/goals - Schools of thought for the adoption of NT - Embracing the migration - Technology needed to for the two environments to coexist - Long-term transition from UNIX to NT Discussion will be relevant to UNIX System Administrators dealing with the introduction of NT to their existing UNIX environment. Will hear insights into the promise of NT and what's needed to ensure a smooth transition without abandoning existing hardware and manpower investments - while maintaining their most valuable asset: information. BIO Stephen Duplessie co-founded Invincible Technologies Corporation in March of 1993. As the company's Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Duplessie applies to the company his ten years of computer market experience gained from owning and operating his own storage company and from various senior sales, marketing, and management positions held with industry-leading suppliers. Mr. Duplessie graduated from Babson College in 1986 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Entrepreneurial Studies. ITC develops and delivers high-quality, standards-based distributed hardware and software products designed to optimize the manageability and availability of data in networked computing environments. ITC's products address the server and storage needs of a growing number of organizations that need to manage information -- not information technology. ============================== Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions please contact: Amy K. Kreiling Dept. of Comp. Science UNC - Chapel Hill 135 Sitterson Hall Chapel Hill, NC 27599 (919) 962-1843 kreiling@cs.unc.edu ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NCSA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== NCSA-JOBS The "ncsa-jobs@cs.unc.edu" mailing list has been created. Our membership is encouraged to send "help wanted in the system & network adminstration field" type postings to this mailing list, rather than to ncsa-discussion. If you are a new subscriber to ncsa-discusssion, we encourage you to also subscribe to ncsa-jobs. The method of subscribing is the same as above. ============================== Directions to Research Triangle Institute From I-40 west of RTP (e.g. Chapel Hill): Get onto I-40 heading east. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Stay in right lane. Shift right as soon as possible after merging with traffic coming off I-40 westbound. Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From I-40 east of RTP (e.g. Raleigh): Get onto I-40 heading west. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Shift to rightmost lane as soon as possible Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From north of RTP (e.g. Durham): Get onto NC-147 - Durham Freeway - south. Exit at the Cornwallis Road exit. At the top of the exit, turn left to cross over the bridge. After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From sage-postmaster Thu Jun 6 12:40:39 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19464 for sage-members-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:40:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu (root@epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19458 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 12:40:36 -0700 (PDT) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:38:15 -0500 Message-Id: <00131b733a6007967@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:38:15 -0500 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting June 20 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in Conference Room #1 on the Parking Level (basement). Next Meeting: June 20, 1996: NFS Appliances Mark Capprio - Network Appliance Mark will give an introduction to NFS appliances and discuss the features of the Network Appliance NFS servers. For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ Directions to Park Place West: Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Conference Room #1 is on the Parking Level (in the basement). For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Chris Halverson (612) 633-7909 Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-postmaster Mon Jun 10 07:07:17 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA07871 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeeper.msi-uk.com (gatekeeper.msi-uk.com [194.131.97.1]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA07865 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 07:07:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gatekeeper.msi-uk.com; id NAA09274; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:56:09 GMT Received: from unknown(192.240.0.144) by gatekeeper.msi-uk.com via smap (V1.3) id sma009271; Mon Jun 10 13:55:43 1996 Received: from woodstock.msi-uk.com by msi-uk.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA08219; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:05:29 +0100 Received: by woodstock.msi-uk.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA01522; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:02:33 +0100 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 15:02:33 +0100 From: asb@msi-uk.com (Anthony Botham) Message-Id: <199606101402.PAA01522@woodstock.msi-uk.com> To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: Recruitment Interviews X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Hi, We're in the process of recruiting several new IT staff members and would like to give each of the applicants a standardised technical test, or have a standardised set of questions from which we select questions during the interview. Does anyone have any experiences with a standard technical test? I've read the SAGE job descriptions booklet, which I'm using as a basis for some job descriptions. We are a mid sized (400 worldwide) telecommunications software development and consulting company based in London. We have a mixture of Sun workstations and desktop PCs, with a mixture of public domain and commercial software. Can anyone point me in the directions of some useful recruiting resources? thanks Anthony Botham asb@msi-uk.com From sage-postmaster Mon Jun 10 09:29:17 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA20674 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from macsch.com (draco.macsch.com [192.73.8.1]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA20658 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [161.34.1.42] by macsch.com (5.61/MSC-960531) id AA03466; Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:27:07 -0700 Received: from canismajor.is.macsch.com by bootes.is.macsch.com (4.1/MSCbootes.950222) id AA01543; Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:29:05 PDT Received: by canismajor.is.macsch.com (4.1/MSC.TW.SunOS.1.02) id AA26425; Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:27:28 PDT From: "Todd Williams" Message-Id: <9606100927.ZM26423@canismajor.is.macsch.com> Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:27:27 -0700 In-Reply-To: asb@msi-uk.com (Anthony Botham) "Recruitment Interviews" (Jun 10, 15:02) References: <199606101402.PAA01522@woodstock.msi-uk.com> X-Face: "FF3Li6k/|j$-t~Ut~7Tcrqj{YOlB#Kqid0f^}/Hq>yDnjmBRW5bJ\@EwsJ(jeU]B@?t6u'w:Z"C{8$}6kT+!sX[m.HgO{xR7q3>G-_*XwN_twn-d4&S!^or?@79qDeoMX_CS)_/lGAq9_P{9SFa5"!uAO(!,!$:{bQ^4|OAb-q{Pb'tkE^oRm_Wuecl0m4!_USKsHC/#$b_L-*$^T-Vy+_2io@[b?|Ls!_KSFXy!3bbJNxuJqm8$tQ&)090BBF-tx; ^{)[*W,Q\>vEva?wi0FpG/]oa^*& X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: asb@msi-uk.com (Anthony Botham) Subject: Re: Recruitment Interviews Cc: sage-members@usenix.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk On Jun 10, 15:02, Anthony Botham wrote: > > We're in the process of recruiting several new IT staff members and would like > to give each of the applicants a standardised technical test... Well, if there was one freely-available standardized test, smart candidates would obtain it in advance, research all questions, and always get a perfect score. I think Trent Hein and/or Evi Nemeth have a standard "test" that they give on phone interviews. They publish this list in their LISA talks on "Topics in System Administration". Maybe somebody put these online somewhere? Anyway, I suggest you develop your own set of questions, hopefully ones that are particularly relevant to your own environment. Also, check with your Human Resources department, as there may be some legal no-no's about giving a "test" in an interview. I seem to remember someone telling me that there are certain limitations and criteria that you must meet to avoid liability. Of course, I can't remember the specifics, and your mileage may vary. Ob-favorite-question: Everybody's favorite question from Trent/Evi's test is: "How familiar are you with the UNIX bobs drivers?" Todd Williams Manager, UNIX and Comm. Systems todd@macsch.com (213)259-4973 MacNeal-Schwendler Corp. ("MSC"), 815 Colorado Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90041 geek n. : a carnival performer often billed as a wild man whose act usu. includes biting the head off a live chicken or snake -Webster's New Collegiate From sage-postmaster Tue Jun 11 06:29:03 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id GAA06933 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from camelot.netmarket.com (camelot.netmarket.com [199.79.247.247]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id GAA06927 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tannis.netmarket.com (tannis.netmarket.com [172.16.1.10]) by camelot.netmarket.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA10571; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brigadoon.netmarket.com (brigadoon.netmarket.com [172.16.1.236]) by tannis.netmarket.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id JAA11449; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:26:14 -0400 Received: by brigadoon.netmarket.com (SMI-8.6/client-1.5) id JAA00441; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:23:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199606111323.JAA00441@brigadoon.netmarket.com> From: hal@netmarket.com (Hal Pomeranz) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:23:09 -0400 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: bblisa@bblisa.org, firewalls@greatcircle.com, sage-members@usenix.org Subject: BBLISA Meeting: Securing Your (Solaris) Web Server Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ======== ======== ======== BackBayLISA Calendar of Events ======== ======== ======== ---------------------------------------------------------------------- June: Securing Your (Solaris) Web Server Date: June 12, 1996 Time: 7:00-9:00pm Location: MIT Building E51 Room 372 70 Memorial Drive Cambridge, MA Speaker: Peter Galvin, Chief Technologist, Corporate Technologies Coordinator: Hal Pomeranz Description: Web servers are among those odd beasts that need to be accessible from insecure sites. That does not mean that they should be free for the taking by hackers, however. This talk will discuss the specifics of securing a web server, including software installation and management and useful tools. The talk is based on the SunWorld Online April and May security column written by Peter Galvin and Hal Pomeranz. Although the talk is Solaris specific, the general techniques and some specific information is applicable to other Unix boxes. Want to find out more about BackBayLISA? the monthly meetings? the mailing lists? Send mail to Need directions to the meeting? ftp them from, ftp.bblisa.org:/pub/bblisa/directions From sage-postmaster Wed Jun 12 09:50:23 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA02502 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lamb.sas.com (lamb.sas.com [192.35.83.8]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA02496 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA17958; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:48:18 -0400 Received: from wheels.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA27991; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:48:11 -0400 Received: by wheels.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA10233; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:48:10 -0400 From: "Helen E. Harrison" Message-Id: <199606121648.AA10233@wheels.unx.sas.com> Subject: Federal Court Decision RE Communications Decency Act (fwd) To: sage-members@usenix.org Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 12:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk I thought this group might be interested in this.... Forwarded message: > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:56:20 -0400 > To: ncic@ncren.net > From: Bob Blackmun > Subject: Federal Court Decision RE Communications Decency Act > > > << start of forwarded material >> > > Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:33:18 -0400 (EDT) > Reply-To: cni-announce@cni.org > From: Paul Evan Peters > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Federal Court Decision RE Communications Decency Act > > Dear cni-announce subscribers: > > I am very pleased to announce that at 9:00am this morning > (Wednesday June 12) the Federal Court in Philadelphia, PA > in a unanimous 3-0 decision granted, a preliminary injunction > against the Communications Decency Act provisions of the > Telecommunications Reform Act of 1996.(CDA). Details can > be found at http://www.cdt.org/ciec/. CNI is a member of > the Citizens Internet Empowerment Coalition (CIEC), and was, > therefore, one of the plaintiffs in this case. > > Best, > > Paul > > Paul Evan Peters paul@cni.org > Executive Director fax 202-872-0884 > Coalition for Networked Information 202-296-5098 > 21 Dupont Circle ftp://ftp.cni.org/ > Washington, DC 20036 gopher://gopher.cni.org:70/ > USA http://www.cni.org/CNI.homepage.html > > > << end of forwarded material >> > > Robert R. Blackmun > UNC Charlotte > Charlotte NC 28223 > (704) 547-4104 > Internet: acc00rrb@email.uncc.edu > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Helen E. Harrison Unix Support Manager SAS Institute Inc. heh@unx.sas.com (919) 677-8000 SAS Campus Drive, x6981 Cary, NC 27513 From sage-postmaster Sun Jun 16 22:24:31 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA20621 for sage-members-outgoing; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:24:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id WAA20615 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:24:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA170718941; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:22:21 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA021748949; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:22:30 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) Message-Id: <9606162222.ZM2172@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:22:29 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: sage-members@usenix.org, rem-conf@es.net Subject: BayLISA: working with cable modems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk --- Forwarded mail from deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA020538778; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:19:38 -0700 Return-Path: From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) Message-Id: <9606162219.ZM2051@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:19:38 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org Subject: BayLISA: working with cable modems Cc: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- June 20: Buck Gee, Com21 Speaking on cable modems The Internet is fast coming into the home, and cable modems are becoming more prevalent. Come hear about the direction the technology is taking. July 18: Bob Cousins, Network General/AIM July 21: BayLISA picnic Please join us at Sunnyvale Baylands Park at 1:00 PM for the annual BayLISA Picnic. Send mail to deleon@hpl.hp.com or blw@baylisa.org for more information. ALSO: Get your BayLISA t-shirt! They're new, They're eye-catching, They're available S to XXXL, The price is $15. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. --- End of forwarded mail from deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) From sage-postmaster Fri Jun 28 16:15:40 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA15726 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:15:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bogart.cse.ogi.edu (bogart.cse.ogi.edu [129.95.40.20]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA15720 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:15:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0uZmjE-0001TGC; Fri, 28 Jun 96 16:13 PDT Message-Id: From: halm@cse.ogi.edu (Hal Miller) Subject: audit procedures To: sage-members@usenix.org Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk G'day all, Does anyone have a set of procedures to audit a computing facility? I'm thinking of the kind of thing a lead sysadmin would use when first coming to a new organization, covering such things as security, aging of accounts, network bandwidth utilization/load balancing, ... I'll be happy to collect as many suggestions along these lines as possible, with examples wherever they're available. Might make another SAGE pamphlet someday! Thanks in advance. -- | Hal Miller halm@cse.ogi.edu | Computing Facilities Mgr (HAM10) | | Oregon Graduate Institute | PO Box 91000, Portland 97291 | | 20000 NW Walker Road | voice: +1 503 690-1350 | | Beaverton, Oregon 97006 USA | fax: +1 503 690-1548 | From sage-postmaster Sat Jun 29 11:59:41 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA24955 for sage-members-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from venom.cs.wisc.edu (venom.cs.wisc.edu [128.105.63.28]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24949 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:59:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs.wisc.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by venom.cs.wisc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA05098; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:57:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199606291857.MAA05098@venom.cs.wisc.edu> To: halm@cse.ogi.edu (Hal Miller) cc: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: Re: audit procedures In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:13:32 PDT." Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:57:30 -0500 From: David Parter Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk > G'day all, > > Does anyone have a set of procedures to audit a computing facility? > I'm thinking of the kind of thing a lead sysadmin would use when first > coming to a new organization, covering such things as security, aging > of accounts, network bandwidth utilization/load balancing, ... > I'll be happy to collect as many suggestions along these lines as > possible, with examples wherever they're available. Might make another > SAGE pamphlet someday! Great idea! I don't know that there will be a one-size-fits-all solution, but the topic is important. A good place to start may be with Elizabeth Zwicky's "Are We There Yet? Evaluating the State of Your Site" invited talk from LISA 8. Check out http://www.usenix.org/sage/lisa/lisa8/invited-talks.html. --david -------- david parter dparter@cs.wisc.edu associate director, computer systems lab voice: 608-262-0608/262-2389 university of wisconsin fax: 608-262-6626 computer sciences department From sage-postmaster Tue Jul 2 09:40:26 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA10581 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (mcenroe.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.184]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA10568 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from widor.cs.unc.edu by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id MAA04962; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:14:39 -0400 Received: by widor.cs.unc.edu (8.6.9/UNC_06_21_94) id MAA03960; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:14:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:14:38 -0400 From: "Amy K. Kreiling" Message-Id: <199607021614.MAA03960@widor.cs.unc.edu> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: July 8 -- NC Systems Administrators meeting Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, July 8, 1996, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group The Guru Is In Monday, July 8, 1996 Dreyfus Auditorium Research Triangle Institute Research Triangle Park, NC 6 PM - General Session This month's NC*SA meeting will feature a panel of area systems and network administrators. The format of the meeting is an open question and answer session. Our panelists will include: Trey Harris Bobby Pham System Administrator Systems Programmer Project Isis Project Eos/Unity UNC-Chapel Hill NC State University Stephen Schaefer Ken Weaver Consultant Network Manager Network Computing Solutions Department of Computer Science UNC-Chapel Hill John Eisenmenger Senior Systems Programmer Department of Computer Science Duke University Please come to the meeting with plenty of technical questions. Our panelists have experience with all flavors of UNIX -- AIX, HP/UX, IRIX, SunOS, Solaris, Ultrix, and others -- as well as various Internet-related topics, sendmail, DNS, firewalls & security, network administration, and just about anything else. Members of the audience will also be able to add their expertise to the session. It should be a fun & informative meeting and we encourage you to attend! ============================== Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions please contact: Amy K. Kreiling Dept. of Comp. Science UNC - Chapel Hill 135 Sitterson Hall Chapel Hill, NC 27599 (919) 962-1843 kreiling@cs.unc.edu ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NCSA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== Directions to Research Triangle Institute From I-40 west of RTP (e.g. Chapel Hill): Get onto I-40 heading east. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Stay in right lane. Shift right as soon as possible after merging with traffic coming off I-40 westbound. Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From I-40 east of RTP (e.g. Raleigh): Get onto I-40 heading west. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Shift to rightmost lane as soon as possible Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From north of RTP (e.g. Durham): Get onto NC-147 - Durham Freeway - south. Exit at the Cornwallis Road exit. At the top of the exit, turn left to cross over the bridge. After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From sage-postmaster Mon Jul 15 13:12:00 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA04554 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:12:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu (root@epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA04534 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:11:42 -0700 (PDT) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:09:29 -0500 Message-Id: <00131eaa579002340@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 96 15:09:29 -0500 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting July 18 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in Conference Room #1 on the Parking Level (basement). Next Meeting: June 20, 1996: NFS Servers Doug Mashek - Auspex Systems Doug will talk about NFS servers and discuss the features of the Auspex NFS servers. For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ Directions to Park Place West: Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Conference Room #1 is on the Parking Level (in the basement). For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 Chris Halverson (612) 633-7909 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-postmaster Mon Jul 15 15:21:30 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA16244 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:21:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16226 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA105909140; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:19:01 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA067289140; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:19:00 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon) Message-Id: <9607151519.ZM6726@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 15:19:00 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com, rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.org Subject: BayLISA: Network General and AIM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. Schedule -------- July 18: Bob Cousins, Network General/AIM Bob Cousins will talk about what they are learning in the labs at AIM about system performance and management. July 21: BayLISA picnic Please join us at Sunnyvale Baylands Park at 1:00 PM for the annual BayLISA Picnic. Send mail to deleon@hpl.hp.com or blw@baylisa.org for more information. August 15: Bryan O'Sullivan, Sun Microelectronics A system for load sharing a huge computational load between over 1000 CPUs on several hundred machines. ALSO: Get your BayLISA t-shirt! They're new, They're eye-catching, They're available S to XXXL, The price is $15. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-postmaster Tue Jul 16 11:50:23 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA22374 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:50:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Arco.COM (inetg1.Arco.COM [130.201.119.253]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA22364 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from goose.aai.arco.com ([136.226.135.2]) by Arco.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14572; Tue, 16 Jul 96 13:47:34 CDT Received: from irocz.aai.arco.com by goose.aai.arco.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA76041; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:47:33 -0800 Received: by irocz.aai.arco.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27926; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:47:32 -0800 From: lasjfb@aai.Arco.COM (John F. Blasko) Message-Id: <9607161847.AA27926@irocz.aai.arco.com> Subject: ratios -- machines to personnel To: sage-members@usenix.org Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:47:32 -0900 (ADT) Cc: lasjfb@aai.Arco.COM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Content-Type: text Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk In the 'old days' there used to be information available that tried to identify the number of systems administrators required to support a certain number of machines. The varibles included the amount of machine storage, the application suite, and other descriptions of a machine primary function. Has there been any recent work done in this area? Where might I look for this type of information. Thanks, John Blasko From sage-postmaster Tue Jul 16 15:03:03 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA07824 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws.realbig.com ([206.161.253.65]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA07818 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ws.realbig.com ([127.0.0.1]) by ws.realbig.com with SMTP id <86741-114>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:00:53 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 18:00:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Poling To: "John F. Blasko" cc: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: Re: ratios -- machines to personnel In-Reply-To: <9607161847.AA27926@irocz.aai.arco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 16 Jul 1996, John F. Blasko wrote: > In the 'old days' there used to be information available that tried > to identify the number of systems administrators required to > support a certain number of machines. The varibles included > the amount of machine storage, the application suite, and other > descriptions of a machine primary function. Has there been > any recent work done in this area? Where might I look for > this type of information. It's kind of problematic to produce such figures these days. The distinction between small and large machines has blurred tremendously, and you can easily have a small machine with more storage and more users than a large machine. Or you can have a large machine with many users using a wide variety of applications. How do you equate these systems? Further complicating things is the proliferation of semi-distributed information services (an obvious example being WWW servers). These systems often don't have an associated user body as their primary function is to disseminate information as widely as possible. Mostly though, I think the wide variety of uses to which we put our computers has made this task very difficult. How many personal workstations have only a word processor and a spreadsheet on them anymore? For that matter, how many shared systems have only a few applications on them anymore? The systems have become diversified to the point that they can even sometimes defy classification as to function. At the level of workstations, I think the ratio of admin to user might be useful. For what it's worth... -Andy (this sig left intentionally blank) From sage-postmaster Tue Jul 16 16:04:41 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA10766 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.xerox.com (alpha.Xerox.COM [13.1.64.93]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA10729 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mob.parc.xerox.com ([13.1.100.57]) by alpha.xerox.com with SMTP id <16328(1)>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:01:23 PDT Received: by mob.parc.xerox.com id <267713>; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:00:19 PDT From: Mark Verber To: sage-members@usenix.org, lasjfb@aai.arco.com Subject: Re: ratios -- machines to personnel Message-Id: <96Jul16.160019pdt."267713"@mob.parc.xerox.com> Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:00:19 PDT Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk > In the 'old days' there used to be information available that tried > to identify the number of systems administrators required to > support a certain number of machines. The varibles included > the amount of machine storage, the application suite, and other > descriptions of a machine primary function. Has there been > any recent work done in this area? Where might I look for > this type of information. I don't recall even in the "good old days" of fifteen years ago seeing believable admin to facilities equations. There were some basic rules of thumb, all of which are terribly dated, but they were highly dependent on the site. I wrote an article for Unix Review a number of years ago which suggested that the appropriate number of admins can only be determined by assessing what the site's specific requirements were, and then make a best effort caculation of how many man-hours would be required. This process can often been enlightening for the management. The paper can be found as http://www.solutions.com/verber/how-many-admins.html --Mark From sage-postmaster Mon Aug 5 08:05:32 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA18197 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phibes.dartmouth.edu (phibes.dartmouth.edu [129.170.18.45]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id IAA18191 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:05:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from phibes.dartmouth.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by phibes.dartmouth.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA16964 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:03:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199608051503.LAA16964@phibes.dartmouth.edu> To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: SAGE Web update Date: Mon, 05 Aug 1996 11:03:10 -0500 From: Pat Wilson Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk SAGE members: If you haven't stopped by the SAGE Web page () lately, check it out! We've added a SAGE "Job Center", with links to the online Job Descriptions text, a place for you to list your resume if you're job hunting (and don't mind everyone knowing :->), and a job openings space with regional listings and a "members only" area for links to recruiter and individual pages as well as archives of the sage-jobs-offered mailing list. In addition, there's now a Sysadmin Resource Center where we're collecting links to interesting sysadmin information, as well as the Sysadmin's Bookshelf (pointers to our most-thumbed reference books), and the Services Provided by SAGE Members (pointers to SAGE members' consulting pages). Coming soon (with luck): archives of other SAGE-run mailing lists, and a "SAGE News of the Month" section. Feedback is (almost) always welcome! Pat Wilson paw@dartmouth.edu || paw@usenix.org From sage-postmaster Thu Aug 8 15:52:43 1996 Return-Path: sage-members-owner Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id PAA19511 for sage-members-outgoing; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu (root@epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA19454 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:49:48 -0500 Message-Id: <001320a6f0b004394@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 96 17:49:48 -0500 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting August 15 Sender: sage-members-owner@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in the Euler Solutions Training Center on the third floor, room 309. NOTE CHANGE OF LOCATION! Next Meeting: August 15, 1996: Perl Workshop Dave Bianchi - Pencom Systems Administration Dave will lead a workshop on Perl as a Systems Administration tool. If you have a Bourne or C-shell script that you would like to convert to Perl, or have some interesting Perl code to share, please send them to djb@epx.cis.umn.edu. If you are a Perl programmer and would willing to be a resource for the meeting, please send Dave a note. For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ Directions to Park Place West: Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Euler Solutions Training Center is on the third floor, room 309. For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 Chris Halverson (612) 633-7909 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-postmaster Wed Aug 28 20:37:38 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA14635 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (mcenroe.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.184]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA14614 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 20:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alpha.cs.unc.edu by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id XAA09148; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:18:36 -0400 From: "Amy K. Kreiling" Received: by alpha.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id XAA20360; Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:18:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 23:18:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199608290318.XAA20360@alpha.cs.unc.edu> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: NC System Administrators Meeting - 09/09/96 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, September 9, 1996, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group Shared File Service for UNIX and Windows Monday, September 9, 1996 SAS Institute Inc. Cary, NC 6 PM - General Session Our program for the evening: Shared File Service for UNIX and Windows Network Appliance builds filers, which are special purpose network file servers that contain no general purpose operating system. Because they are designed as special purpose appliances, NetApp file servers are faster, simpler, and more reliable than file servers based on general purpose operating systems such as UNIX or Windows. This embedded software design allows NetApp filers to support native implementations of both NFS and CIFS. CIFS is the standard Microsoft file service protocol for Windows and NT, also known as SMB. This approach avoids the problems of an emulation layer running on top of UNIX or Windows, such as PC-NFS or Samba. Shared data access is becoming increasingly important as network managers try to unify their networking strategy for UNIX and Windows. The talk will address the philosophy of the appliance approach, the use of NetApp filers in UNIX-only networks, and the issue of supporting both UNIX and Windows clients. Our Speaker for the evening: David Hitz Co-Founder, Director of System Architecture Prior to founding Network Appliance, Dave Hitz worked as a systems programmer at Auspex and, before that, in a similar position with the System V kernel group at MIPS Computer. Hitz studied at George Washington University, Swarthmore College, and Deep Springs College and received his B.S.E. in computer science from Princeton University. ============================== Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions, please contact: Amy K. Kreiling SAS Institute Inc. SAS Campus Drive Cary, NC 27513 (919) 677-8000 After 5 Sept: kreiling@unx.sas.com Before 5 Sept: kreiling@cs.unc.edu ============================== Have you visited the NC*SA web site, yet? Visit us at: http://www.netit.com/ncsa/ Your feedback is appreciated! ============================== November is our annual NC*SA membership meeting. Three of the seven positions on the NC*SA steering committee will be up for re-election. If you are interested in volunteering your time or would like to find out more about the inner workings of NC*SA, please contact one of tehe steering committee members or send e-mail to "ncsa-steer@cs.unc.edu". ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NCSA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== Directions to the SAS Institute: Take I40 to exit 287 in Cary (Harrison Ave.) That's one exit east of the Raleigh airport exit. Exit at Harrison Ave and turn towards Cary--That's a Right if you are coming from Research Triangle Park direction and a Left if you are coming from Raleigh. Go the the first light (about 50 yards past the exit) and turn Left onto SAS Campus Campus drive. The meeting will be held in Bldg F. which is the 2nd building on the right. It will be labeled 'Cafe and Training' Go in the Right entrance to the building facing the building from SAS Campus Drive. If the entrance gate is closed or if you need further directions, just stop at the guard house near the entrance and they will guide you. From sage-postmaster Tue Sep 10 16:42:07 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA09516 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA09507 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA189568782; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:42 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA189698786; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:46 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon ) Message-Id: <9609101639.ZM18967@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org, rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.org Subject: BayLISA: Robert Harker on Sendmail V 8.8 and m4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. NOTE: AS OF OCTOBER, WE ARE MOVING TO CISCO, near Highway 237 and 1st Street. Stay tuned or check out the Web page for more info. Thanks very much to Synopsys for hosting us for all this time. Schedule -------- September 19th (still at Synopsys). Sendmail V 8.8 && using the m4 preprocessor Robert Harker Robert Harker, of Harker systems, will talk about the latest sendmail enhancements. He will review sendmail, and talk about the new features in sendmail 8.8. He'll also talk about using m4 to configure sendmail.cf. Harker Systems focuses on training for TCP/IP and Internet managers and system administrators to help them understand how to set-up, debug, and manage electronic mail using sendmail and the TCP/IP protocol suite. October 17 (At Cisco) Windows NT for the Unix Systems Administrator N.K. Krishnan, Hewlett Packard Company What is Windows NT, and what do you need to know about it as it works its way into your network? November 21 BayLISA Board Elections & member meeting before the regular meeting Talk to a current board member or send mail to blw@baylisa.org if you are interested in running. Speaker TBA December 19 Our special holiday meeting-- suggestions being accepted now. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-postmaster Tue Sep 10 19:53:32 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id TAA18880 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id TAA18863 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA16498; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:47:47 -0700 Received: (baylisa@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id TAA07464 for baylisa@baylisa.org; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:36:29 -0700 Received: from mail1.best.com (mail1.best.com [206.86.8.14]) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA20296 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 19:14:15 -0700 Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by mail1.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA10606 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:48 -0700 Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA189568782; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:42 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA189698786; Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:46 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon ) Message-Id: <9609101639.ZM18967@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 16:39:46 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org, rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.org Subject: BayLISA: Robert Harker on Sendmail V 8.8 and m4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Loop: baylisa@best.com Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Synopsys Building C in Mountain View, California off Highway 237 at Middlefield. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. NOTE: AS OF OCTOBER, WE ARE MOVING TO CISCO, near Highway 237 and 1st Street. Stay tuned or check out the Web page for more info. Thanks very much to Synopsys for hosting us for all this time. Schedule -------- September 19th (still at Synopsys). Sendmail V 8.8 && using the m4 preprocessor Robert Harker Robert Harker, of Harker systems, will talk about the latest sendmail enhancements. He will review sendmail, and talk about the new features in sendmail 8.8. He'll also talk about using m4 to configure sendmail.cf. Harker Systems focuses on training for TCP/IP and Internet managers and system administrators to help them understand how to set-up, debug, and manage electronic mail using sendmail and the TCP/IP protocol suite. October 17 (At Cisco) Windows NT for the Unix Systems Administrator N.K. Krishnan, Hewlett Packard Company What is Windows NT, and what do you need to know about it as it works its way into your network? November 21 BayLISA Board Elections & member meeting before the regular meeting Talk to a current board member or send mail to blw@baylisa.org if you are interested in running. Speaker TBA December 19 Our special holiday meeting-- suggestions being accepted now. [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location or you can query the BayLISA mail server by cutting and pasting the following line to your shell: echo "index baylisa" | mail majordomo@baylisa.org BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-postmaster Mon Sep 16 14:27:42 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA21328 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:27:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu (root@epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA21313 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:27:26 -0700 (PDT) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Mon, 16 Sep 96 16:25:02 -0500 Message-Id: <001323dc5ae017950@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 96 16:25:02 -0500 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting September 19 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in Building Conference Room #1 located on the Parking Level (basement). Next Meeting: Note: Since I was late in contacting Sun about a Java speaker, they were kind enough to help out on short notice with the following presentation. September 19, 1996: Sun Ultra Servers Sun Microsystems will provide information on their Sun Ultra Server line. Depending on availability, a Sun representative may be able to talk about other happenings at Sun. Tentative Meeting Schedule October 17, 1996: Java, Sun Microsystems November 21, 1996: Introduction to Perl For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ Directions to Park Place West: Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Building Conference Room #1 is located on the Parking Level (basement). For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 Chris Halverson (612) 633-7909 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-postmaster Wed Oct 9 11:17:17 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA11733 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:17:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA11717 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA061644889; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:14:49 -0700 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.15/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA030364890; Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:14:50 -0700 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon ) Message-Id: <9610091114.ZM3034@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 11:14:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org Subject: BayLISA:Vinay Kumar on MBONE Cc: rem-conf@es.net, sage-members@usenix.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Cisco building H in San Jose, on Tasman Drive near First street. See www.baylisa.org for more information. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. NOTE: AS OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE MOVED TO CISCO. This is a new location. Thanks very much to Synopsys for hosting us. Schedule -------- October 17 (At Cisco) Vinay Kumar, ICAST Communications, Inc. MBONE and ICAST (also, the candidate's forum for those running for the BayLISA board will be this evening at 7:15) November 21 Randal Schwartz: Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker BayLISA Board Elections & member meeting before the regular meeting Talk to a current board member or send mail to blw@baylisa.org if you are interested in running. December 19 Our special holiday meeting-- suggestions being accepted now. Previous meetings included a stupid computer tricks contest... [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/BayLISA/location BayLISA makes video tapes of the meetings available to members. For more information on available videos, please send email to: video@baylisa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-postmaster Fri Oct 11 13:49:47 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA09362 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (mcenroe.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.184]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA09353 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:49:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lamb.sas.com by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id QAA03677; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:06:26 -0400 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA00977; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:06:22 -0400 Received: from coghill.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA13587; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:06:15 -0400 Received: by coghill.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA08776; Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:06:14 -0400 From: Amy Kreiling Message-Id: <199610112006.AA08776@coghill.unx.sas.com> Subject: October NC*SA meeting -- Mon, 10/14 at STI To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:06:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk [NOTE: My apologies for the tardiness of this announcement. We did not have a meeting location for our October meeting until just recently. Many thanks to Strategic Technologies for coming through in the pinch. --Amy] The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, October 14, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group Review of LISA System Administrators Conference Overview of USENIX and SAGE Organizations Ask the System Administrator Monday, October 14, 1996 Strategic Technologies Inc. Cary, NC 6 PM - General Session Our October meeting will feature informal presentations by the system and network administrators who were fortunate enough to attend this year's LISA System Administrators conference. The discussions will also include information on the USENIX and SAGE organizations. The evening will conclude with an "Ask the System Administrator" session, where hopefully, you can receive good advice for those nagging questions you've had recently. Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions, please contact: Amy K. Kreiling SAS Institute Inc. Cary, NC 27513 (919) 677-8000 x5963 kreiling@unx.sas.com ============================== Have you visited the NC*SA web site, yet? Visit us at: http://netit.com/ncsa/ Your feedback is appreciated! ============================== November is our annual NC*SA membership meeting. Three of the seven positions on the NC*SA steering committee will be up for re-election. If you are interested in volunteering your time or would like to find out more about the inner workings of NC*SA, please contact one of the steering committee members or send e-mail to "ncsa-steer@cs.unc.edu". ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NC*SA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== Directions to Strategic Technologies in MacGregor Corporate Park: Strategic Technologies 301 Gregson Drive Cary, NC 27511 Tel: (919) 481-9797 >From points north of Raleigh: - Take US 1/I-440 South - Exit at 128 B, onto Route 64 West - Take left at light after MacGregor Village, onto Gregson Drive (MacGregor Corporate Park) - Strategic Technologies is on the left after TC Squared building and after MacAllyson Drive >From Durham, RTP, Raleigh Airport, and points West: - Take US 40 East - Exit onto Exit 293 (US 1 South & Highway 64 West) - Exit at 128 B, onto Route 64 West - Take left at light after MacGregor Village, onto Gregson Drive (MacGregor Corporate Park) - Strategic Technologies is on the left after TC Squared building and after MacAllyson Drive >From Points South of Raleigh: - Take Hwy 401 North or Hwy 70 West - Exit onto I-40 West - Exit onto Exit 293 (US 1 South & Highway 64 West) - Exit 128 B, onto Route 64 West - Take left at light after MacGregor Village, onto Gregson Drive (MacGregor Corporate Park) - Strategic Technologies is on the left after TC Squared building and after MacAllyson Drive >From points East of Raleigh: - Take I-40 West - Exit onto Exit 293 (US 1 South & Highway 64 West) - Exit at 128 B, onto Route 64 West - Take left at light after MacGregor Village, onto Gregson Drive (MacGregor Corporate Park) - Strategic Technologies is on the left after TC Squared building and after MacAllyson Drive From sage-postmaster Mon Oct 14 12:47:34 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA20360 for sage-members-outgoing; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1.UU.NET (relay1.UU.NET [192.48.96.5]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA20351 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 12:47:28 -0700 (PDT) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (peer crosschecked as: epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) id QQblkw01170; Mon, 14 Oct 1996 15:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Mon, 14 Oct 96 14:44:49 -0500 Message-Id: <0013262982f008957@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 96 14:44:49 -0500 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting October 17 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in Building Conference Room #1 located on the Parking Level (basement). Next Meeting: October 17, 1996: Java David Boone from Integrity Solutions will be giving a talk about Java. Thanks to David for agreeing to do the talk on short notice. Tentative Meeting Schedule November 21, 1996: Introduction to Perl For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ Directions to Park Place West: Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Building Conference Room #1 is located on the Parking Level (basement). For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 Chris Halverson (612) 633-7909 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-postmaster Wed Oct 23 08:53:39 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id IAA25171 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:53:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bogart.cse.ogi.edu (bogart.cse.ogi.edu [129.95.40.20]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA25155 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:53:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by bogart.cse.ogi.edu (Smail3.1.29.1 #7) id m0vG5Zz-0001UdC; Wed, 23 Oct 96 08:50 PDT Message-Id: From: halm@cse.ogi.edu (Hal Miller) Subject: Draft SAGE Code of Ethics To: sage-members@usenix.org Date: Wed, 23 Oct 1996 08:50:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk REQUEST FOR COMMENT -- Draft SAGE Code of Ethics Fellow SAGE members, After more than two years of discussion and debate, the SAGE Code of Ethics is about ready to go. A draft of it is available for review at URL: http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~halm/ Some 100 people have had fairly significant input to this document. It appears to be very tight. Certainly, we could argue about it for decades, but that would be less than productive. What we would like now is for the membership at large to look this over for anything glaringly wrong with it. I will accept comments (directly to me: halm@usenix.org) until Friday the 15th of November, at which time I will put it into final form for the Board of Directors to pass upon. I will try to respond to comments (again, directly as opposed to over mailing lists), but if the volume gets too large, I reserve the right to beg your indulgence. I will most definitely consider fully any comments I receive. For those wondering about the Ethics Working Group, you may be aware that all of the Working Groups were acknowledged by the Board to be defunct about a year ago. There had been no activity (despite repeated attempts by most Board members) on any of them, including this one, for nearly a year at that point. I collected a few of the formerly-active members of the Ethics Working Group and hammered this draft out. For those non-USA members of SAGE, it is my hope that this Code will be the basis, along with the SAGE-AU Code, of a soon-to-be internationally accepted version. This one reflects much of the SAGE-AU work, plus direct input from at least one (in addition to myself) member of the original SAGE-AU working group. I will be writing an article for ;login: on the purpose of this Code. It, and the Final Version, should appear in the issue after this coming one, at which time the Code becomes "official". I've often been asked what that would mean, and want to assure all that it is not a piece of legislation. This Code should be considered "advisory" at this point, meaning we have no punitive or enforcing procedures in place or even contemplated. The Code represents what we as a community believe sysadmins should strive for as a matter of professional ethics. It should represent to our customer base, to our vendors, and to the computing community at large, the standard of professional conduct they can expect of us. It is one more step along the road of making our vocation a "profession" in the eyes of the world (as well as in our own eyes). Given these comments, I now solicit your comments. Please email me directly rather than clutter up thousands of mailboxes around the world. I would also be happy to entertain your comments on what "official" and "advisory" might mean to you, plus what you think a good future plan might be. Thanks in advance for your thoughts and participation. -- | Hal Miller halm@cse.ogi.edu | Computing Facilities Mgr (HAM10) | | Oregon Graduate Institute | PO Box 91000, Portland 97291 | | 20000 NW Walker Road | voice: +1 503 690-1350 | | Beaverton, Oregon 97006 USA | fax: +1 503 690-1548 | From sage-postmaster Tue Oct 29 16:55:55 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id QAA27523 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:55:55 -0700 (PPET) Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (mcenroe.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.184]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA27511 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 16:55:39 -0700 (PPET) Received: from lamb.sas.com by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id SAA06129; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:26:07 -0500 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA06826; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:26:00 -0500 Received: from coghill.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA17162; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:25:55 -0500 Received: by coghill.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA28081; Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:25:54 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 18:25:54 -0500 From: Amy Kreiling Message-Id: <199610292325.AA28081@coghill.unx.sas.com> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: North Carolina System Administrators Group (NC*SA) -- November meeting Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, November 11, 1996, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group VxFS, VxVM & FirstWatch High Availability Technology Monday, November 11, 1996 Research Triangle Institute Dreyfus Auditorium Research Triangle Park, NC 6 PM - General Session OUR PROGRAM: -VxFS File System Technology - on-line file system snapshot image mechanism, metadata intent logging, and extent-based allocation -Microsoft Windows NT "Cairo" - VxVM Volume Manager Technology Integration Microsoft has contracted with VERITAS to imbed the VxVM Volume Manager into Windows NT 5.0 -FirstWatch High Availability Technology - Windows NT, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX. OUR SPEAKER: Ed Regan - VERITAS Software Systems Engineer Ed has been with VERITAS for two years. Since joining the company, he has supported customers along the entire East coast as well as in the European market. His responsibilities include technical briefing and consulting, demonstration of VERITAS products, and on-site technical support for potential and existing customers. Prior to joining VERITAS, Ed spent several years with a large Sun Microsystems reseller in New Jersey. He specialized in large enterprise integration projects involving RAID storage solutions and networking. Ed also spent four years with the NYNEX Corporation where is specialized in personal systems solutions for large accounts. COMPANY BACKGROUND VERITAS Software Corporation Founded in 1989, VERITAS Software designs, develops and markets storage management and high availability products for mission-critical computing systems. The products ease system administration and are designed to improve system performance, reliability, and data integrity. VERITAS products are licensed as source products to more than 48 OEMs worldwide. Shrink-wrap versions of the products for various platforms are sold through a growing channel of VERITAS authorized channel partners. The publicly held (NASDAQ:VRTS) company's world headquarters are located at 1600 Plymouth Street, Mountain View, CA 94043 ============================== Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions please contact: Amy K. Kreiling SAS Institute Inc. SAS Campus Drive Cary, NC 27513 (919) 677-8000 x5963 kreiling@unx.sas.com ============================== Have you visited the NC*SA web site, yet? Visit us at: http://netit.com/ncsa/ Your feedback is appreciated! ============================== ELECTION TIME!!! ELECTION TIME!!! ELECTION TIME!!! November is our annual NC*SA membership meeting. Three of the seven positions on the NC*SA steering committee will be up for re-election. If you are interested in volunteering your time or would like to find out more about the inner workings of NC*SA, please contact one of tehe steering committee members or send e-mail to "ncsa-steer@cs.unc.edu". Please attend our November meeting. The NC*SA exists for you, and your participation in our membership meeting is important! ELECTION TIME!!! ELECTION TIME!!! ELECTION TIME!!! ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NCSA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== Directions to Research Triangle Institute From I-40 west of RTP (e.g. Chapel Hill): Get onto I-40 heading east. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Stay in right lane. Shift right as soon as possible after merging with traffic coming off I-40 westbound. Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From I-40 east of RTP (e.g. Raleigh): Get onto I-40 heading west. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Shift to rightmost lane as soon as possible Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From north of RTP (e.g. Durham): Get onto NC-147 - Durham Freeway - south. Exit at the Cornwallis Road exit. At the top of the exit, turn left to cross over the bridge. After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From sage-postmaster Fri Nov 8 12:15:50 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA19470 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:15:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from greenland.trantech.com (greenland.trantech.com [204.140.249.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA19461 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:15:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from novix (novix.trantech.com [204.140.249.30]) by greenland.trantech.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA13764 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 1996 12:07:36 -0800 Message-Id: <3.0.16.19961108121100.4be7791a@204.140.249.4> X-Sender: garry@204.140.249.4 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (16) Date: Fri, 08 Nov 1996 12:11:04 -0600 To: (Recipient list suppressed) From: Garry Hipsher Subject: Need help/We'll pay you to answer UNIX questions on-line Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk We'll pay you to answer LINUX/Web Server questions on-line ========================================================== Pacific Internet develops the WebCube Linux-based Internet server. 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For further info, please contact: Garry Hipsher Pacific Internet 600 Corporate Pointe, Suite 100 Culver City, CA 90230 Tel (310) 215-8041 Fax (310) 215-8071 garry@pacnet.com http://www.pacnet.com From sage-postmaster Tue Nov 12 07:37:14 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id HAA20181 for sage-members-outgoing; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:37:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu (root@epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id HAA20172 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 1996 07:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Tue, 12 Nov 96 09:34:36 -0600 Message-Id: <0013288990c003226@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Tue, 12 Nov 96 09:34:36 -0600 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting November 21 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) in Building Conference Room #1 located on the Parking Level (basement). Next Meeting: November 21, 1996: Domain Name System: An Empirical Perspective Gordon Galligher, Pencom Systems Administration Proposed agenda: - TCSA Information - Introductions and Announcements Announcements may include Job Postings - Presentation Domain Name System, Gordon Galligher of Pencom/PSA - Social Hour Those wishing to gather after the meeting at a local restaurant or bar (TGI-Fridays is down the street). Tentative Meeting Schedule December 19, 1996: Introduction to Perl? Directions to Park Place West (6465 Wayzata Blvd): Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. Building Conference Room #1 is located on the Parking Level (basement). For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA mailing list (from a Unix system): echo "subscribe tcsa" | mailx majordomo@tcsa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222 From sage-postmaster Thu Nov 21 13:02:21 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA26588 for sage-members-outgoing; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:02:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com (hplms26.hpl.hp.com [15.255.168.31]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26561 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 13:02:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from hplabsz.hpl.hp.com by hplms26.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1S) id AA188669966; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:59:27 -0800 Received: by hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (1.37.109.20/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA166599968; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:59:28 -0800 From: deleon@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com (Laura de Leon ) Message-Id: <9611211259.ZM16657@hplabsz.hpl.hp.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 12:59:28 -0800 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.0.0 15dec93) To: baylisa@baylisa.org, sage-members@usenix.org, rem-conf@es.net Subject: TONIGHT BayLISA: Randal Schwartz, Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The BayLISA group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to systems and network administrators. The meetings are free and open to the public. BayLISA holds monthly meetings on the third Thursday of each month at 7:30 PM PST. We meet at Cisco building J in San Jose, on Tasman Drive near First street. (This is across the street from the room we met in at Cisco last month). See www.baylisa.org for more information. The meetings are also broadcast via MBONE. NOTE: AS OF OCTOBER, WE HAVE MOVED TO CISCO. This is a new location. Thanks very much to Synopsys for hosting us. Schedule -------- November 21 Randal Schwartz: Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker This talk will describe how the speaker became a felon in the process of doing his job as a systems administrator in the well-publicized Oregon v. Schwartz case (victim: Intel). It will include some points about Oregon's current law and the implications of this case on the computer community. There will be a special focus on how to make sure this doesn't happen to you. There will be copies of Randal's new PERL book available if you would like to get one signed. BayLISA Board Elections & member meeting before the regular meeting At 7:00, Elections for the BayLISA board will be held. We encourage all members to vote. If you aren't a member, this is a good time to join (see our Web site) December 19 Our Holiday meeting-- Join us to share goodies and computer horror stories, as well as descriptions of stupid computer tricks. There will be a prize for best story. This is a very informal meeting, and will not be broadcast on the MBONE. January 16 Brent Chapman, Containment Zones (firewalls to keep people in) February 20 Standards efforts and how they will effect you March 20 Paul Vixie [Schedule subject to change] For further information on BayLISA, check out our web site: http://www.baylisa.org/ To get further information on the meeting location, you can also ftp it from ftp.baylisa.org:/location For any other information, please send email to: info@baylisa.org If you have any questions, please contact me or the info alias listed above. From sage-postmaster Wed Dec 4 13:22:20 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA13967 for sage-members-outgoing; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:22:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from MIT.EDU (PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU [18.69.0.28]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA13958; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 13:22:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from PEMAQUID.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA23164; Wed, 4 Dec 96 16:19:40 EST Received: by pemaquid.MIT.EDU (940816.SGI.8.6.9/4.7) id VAA07792; Wed, 4 Dec 1996 21:19:35 GMT Message-Id: <199612042119.VAA07792@pemaquid.MIT.EDU> To: sage-members@usenix.org Cc: sage-board@usenix.org, sage-nomcom@usenix.org Subject: Time To Vote! Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 16:19:34 EST From: Kim Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk Sage Members, Earlier this month ballots for the SAGE election were mailed to all members whose dues were paid as of November 8th. This year six candidates are running for three open positions on the SAGE Board. Time is running out to cast your vote. Please take a moment to review each candidate's statement, complete the ballot, and drop it in the mail to the Usenix office for receipt by December 10th. In addition to printed form, each candidate's statement is available via the Web off the SAGE home page at, http://www.usenix.org On behalf of the SAGE Nominating Committee and the SAGE Board of Directors, I wish to thank each candidate for their willingness to volunteer for the SAGE Board. Other members that are interested in contributing to the organization can contact Tim Gassaway, tgass@usenix.org, for more informaiotn. Kimberly Trudel, Director SAGE Board From sage-postmaster Thu Dec 5 11:07:10 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA13025 for sage-members-outgoing; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:07:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (mcenroe.cs.unc.edu [152.2.128.184]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA13011 for ; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 11:07:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from lamb.sas.com by mcenroe.cs.unc.edu (8.6.10/UNC_06_21_94) id NAA04689; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:15:52 -0500 Received: from mozart by lamb.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Gateway/01-23-95) id AA27498; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:15:48 -0500 Received: from coghill.unx.sas.com by mozart (5.65c/SAS/Domains/5-6-90) id AA25173; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:08:28 -0500 Received: by coghill.unx.sas.com (5.65c/SAS/Generic 9.01/3-26-93) id AA17594; Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:08:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Dec 1996 13:08:27 -0500 From: Amy Kreiling Message-Id: <199612051808.AA17594@coghill.unx.sas.com> To: ncsa-announce@cs.unc.edu Subject: North Carolina System Administration (NC*SA) meeting -- DHCP -- Dec 9 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The next meeting of the North Carolina System Administrators & Managers organization (NC*SA) will be Monday, December 9, 1996, at 6pm. Details about the meeting, our technical program and directions to our meeting location are provided in this note. We hope to see you there!! North Carolina System Administration Interest Group DHCP Monday, December 9, 1996 Research Triangle Institute Dreyfus Auditorium Research Triangle Park, NC 6 PM - General Session OUR PROGRAM: A very brief overview of the DHCP protocol, some parameters, options, etc., what it's used for, and why it came into being. DHCP is a functional extension of BOOTP so a brief discussion of BOOTP will also be provided, as well as some other protocols like ARP and TFTP. The futures for DHCP, like integrating with DNS (dynamically updating DNS) and IPv6 may also be discussed. Finally, we discuss various companies and their products who presently offer DHCP server solutions (these companies include QIP, Sun, Novell, and Microsoft. OUR SPEAKER: Steve Winters has been a with Sun as a Systems Engineer for the past 2 years. Prior to that he worked as a UNIX systems administrator for about 7 years with various companies: ManTech Environmental (contracting into the EPA); GE Medical Systems in Milwaukee Wisconsin for 3 years, NASD (they own NASDAQ), and ARINC Research in Annapolis, MD for about 2-3 years. He has administered primarily SunOS/Solaris systems...everything from SunOS 3.5, 4.x, and Solaris 2.x. Our meetings are free and open to anyone with an interest in the topic of the evening. We will be providing food and drink for the evening. If you have any questions please contact: Amy K. Kreiling SAS Institute Inc. SAS Campus Drive Cary, NC 27513 (919) 677-8000 x5963 kreiling@unx.sas.com ============================== Have you visited the NC*SA web site, yet? Visit us at: http://netit.com/ncsa/ Your feedback is appreciated! ============================== For information about the NC System Administrators group, contact our Majordomo mailing list server. The "ncsa-discussion" mailing list has been created to facilitate discussions of interest to system administrators from the state of North Carolina. Simply send email to "majordomo@cs.unc.edu": mail majordomo@cs.unc.edu Subject: subscribe ncsa-discussion After subscribing, Majordomo will send you the help file and info file for our mailing list. These files contain instructions for retrieving other files available to the NCSA organization (e.g. the presentation material from past technical programs are available for retrieval via Majordomo!!) ============================== Directions to Research Triangle Institute From I-40 west of RTP (e.g. Chapel Hill): Get onto I-40 heading east. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Stay in right lane. Shift right as soon as possible after merging with traffic coming off I-40 westbound. Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From I-40 east of RTP (e.g. Raleigh): Get onto I-40 heading west. Follow I-40 to the NC-147 - Durham Freeway - North (towards Durham). Shift to rightmost lane as soon as possible Exit to the right at the next exit (Cornwallis Road). At top of exit, turn to the left. (If you turn right and cross over the bridge, you are going the wrong direction.) After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. From north of RTP (e.g. Durham): Get onto NC-147 - Durham Freeway - south. Exit at the Cornwallis Road exit. At the top of the exit, turn left to cross over the bridge. After turning left onto Cornwallis, shift immediately to the right lane. Take the second right onto East Institute Drive. Take the second right off of East Institute Drive. Dreyfus Laboratory will be the first building on your right. Use the parking lot in front of the Lab and enter at the main entrance. ======================================================================= Amy K. Kreiling SAS Institute Inc. kreiling@unx.sas.com Unix Systems Support (919) 677-8000 x5963 (VM) (919) 677-4444 (FAX) From sage-postmaster Fri Dec 13 12:56:25 1996 Return-Path: owner-sage-members Received: (from daemon@localhost) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA14227 for sage-members-outgoing; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from epx.cis.umn.edu (root@epx.cis.umn.edu [128.101.83.4]) by usenix.ORG (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA14218 for ; Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:56:19 -0800 (PST) From: djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Received: by epx.cis.umn.edu; Fri, 13 Dec 96 14:53:40 -0600 Message-Id: <00132b1c254001310@epx.cis.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 14:53:40 -0600 To: sage-members@usenix.org Subject: TCSA meeting December 19 Sender: owner-sage-members@usenix.org Precedence: bulk The Twin Cities System Administrators (TCSA) group meets monthly to discuss topics of interest to system and network administrators in the Twin Cities area of Minnesota. The meetings are free and open to the public. TCSA meetings are on the third Thursday of each month at 7:00 pm. We will meet at Park Place West (Hwys 394 and 100) at the Euler Solutions Training Center located on the third floor (Room 309). ** NOTE CHANGE OF ROOM! ** Next Meeting: December 19, 1996: An Introduction to Perl Dennis Lienke, Euler Solutions A limited number of seats will be available for some hands-on learning. Proposed agenda: - TCSA Information - Introductions and Announcements Announcements may include Job Postings - Presentation An Introduction to Perl, Dennis Lienke, Euler Solutions - Social Hour Those wishing to gather after the meeting at a local restaurant or bar (TGI-Fridays is down the street). Tentative Meeting Schedule January 16, 1997: ?? Directions to Park Place West (6465 Wayzata Blvd): Take I394 to the Louisiana Ave. exit. Go east on Wayzata Blvd. (the frontage road on the south side of I394) to the entrance between Fuddruckers and Bennigan's. Proceed through the parking lot to the Park Place West building. The Euler Solutions Training Center is located on the third floor, Room 309. ** ROOM CHANGE ** For more information on TCSA, check out our web site: http://www.tcsa.org/ To subscribe to the TCSA mailing list (from a Unix system): echo "subscribe tcsa" | mailx majordomo@tcsa.org For any other information, please send email to: info@tcsa.org or contact: Dave Bianchi (612) 644-7843 -- Dave Bianchi djb@epx.cis.umn.edu Home: 612-644-7843 Pencom Systems Administration djb@psa.pencom.com Pager: 612-880-8667 At: Digi International djb@dgii.com Digi: 612-912-3222